hmmm, i'd say from future splash days flash was doing something that html could not deliver. it still does in a lot of ways but it's always a plugin. adobe could have done a google a while back and made a browser but that boat has sailed a long time ago. flash is still way better than any flavour of JS at working the same across all browsers and platforms and it'll be a few years still before html5 is as stable for anything vaguely complicated. when that time comes there'll be a bunch of different avant-garde features all treated differently by different browsers and platforms just as today.
AIR will never be as good as native, it's a wrapper for a runtime. it'll do the job for all sorts of reasons but the people pushing the envelope on devices won't be actionscript developers. that wasn't the case with the web up until a few years ago. i'm learning haxe more and more, and using it more and more in my day to day work for backend and clients in JS and flash. it also compiles to native code for windows phone, andriod and iOS. if i was going to put money on actionscript living on it'd be in the form of haxe, which is already a big improvement on AS3 but essentially feels a lot like the same thing. On 18 September 2012 13:17, Karl DeSaulniers <k...@designdrumm.com> wrote: > Well in my understanding from starting with Flash 5. > HTML and javascript could not do what Flash was doing and that made it all > the rage. > Now that HTML (so to speak) has caught up, I think Flash would do a great > service and join in if you will. > Just because they turn you down, doesn't mean you don't try again. I think > that Adobe could > make Actionscript better than Javascript and jQuery AND you would still be > able to use the Flash > program to create things like you did for the plugin phase of Flash. Just > this time it exports HTML instead of SWF. > I think the power of Actionscript would make a superb DOM manipulator, > especially for its OOP capabilities. > But alas, you are probably right. I just wanted, more so, to get it off my > chest... > > If I had the money to buy Flash from Adobe, that is what I would do with > it. It makes sense to me. > Its probably what Flash should have done in the first place instead of > creating a plugin env. > > Best, > Karl > > > > On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Paul Andrews wrote: > > The web standards comittee already squashed Adobe's attempt to get >> ecmascript 2 adopted as a browser standard - making actionscript and >> javascript compatible. >> >> Adobe is never going to try and make Flash compete with javascript as a >> DOM manipulator. >> >> Adobe is going to concentrate on markets where flash has an advantage. >> >> Paul >> >> On 18/09/2012 11:35, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: >> >>> I personally think that if Flash wants to compete with the likes of HTML >>> 5 and jQuery, it needs to step out of the plugin area. >>> Make it an EMCA viable script language. Like Actionscript becoming >>> Javascripts competitor. Make it so Actionscript can control and manipulate >>> DOM. >>> Just sayin.. >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> PS: I don't think the original topic was vectors anyway, so your good. :) >>> >>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Cédric Muller wrote: >>> >>> Karl DeSaulniers wrote : >>>> >>>>> Flash is not dead. It's hibernating. >>>>> ..... With SOME of the fault in the way flash handles things. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Adobe was a little confusing on that one. It somehow proved it lacked >>>> of vision, and failed to capitalize the 'money grabbing' process that was >>>> needed for Mankind (sarcasm). And since then, it looks like Flash is living >>>> the Director's fate (and maybe the Director's Cut too ...). Flash is still >>>> very good, as a runtime. As are a lot of runtimes. What we observe is that >>>> browsers are runtimes, and that we can do many things with them that don't >>>> justify Flash use anymore (as it was always the case, take the usability >>>> gurus .. err darketers ). So all in all, Flash Player is still a strong >>>> runtime that lets developpers leverage some amazing things with it. >>>> Moreover, this AppStore storm got rid of a lot of bad Flash use >>>> (indirectly, a lot of bad applications with bad usability principles can be >>>> found on the iOS ecosystem from now on). Flash is now considered as a >>>> technology, and no more as a new paradigm (which is what the iOS AppStore >>>> is currently going through). 15 minutes of fame. >>>> >>>> Cedric. >>>> >>>> Sorry for the OT, as I don't really anything to add regarding vectors >>>> vs bitmaps ... though I 'plus' the view that it truly depends on the >>>> utilization: sometimes bitmaps are better, sometimes vectors are better: >>>> know your tech and make experiments in order to test in real situations. >>>> (Though I was amazingly amazed by the way Flash Player simply merges with >>>> Retina displays, for example. 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