(echoing Melchior slightly)

On 16 Dec 2008, at 16:29, John Denker wrote:

> 3) There are some people on this list who are quick to turn
> anything and everything into a personal attack, but it
> doesn't need to be that way.  There are plenty of other
> lists in the world where that doesn't happen.

Absolutely, but equally, people do take pride in their contributions.  
Using strong language where mild language will do is not required,  
most of the time. Especially when English is not people's  native  
language.

> I submitted patches to correct many of the "old bugs"
> recently mentioned.  Dozens of them.  I submitted them
> a couple of years ago.  Nobody even looked at them.

(Melchior addressed this bit)

> If nobody wants to fix these bugs, that's OK ... but
> it would be way, way off base to accuse me of not
> offering constructive contributions.

The problem is, what happened a couple of years is irrelevant, in the  
strictest sense of the word: it has zero relation to the present. You  
know what you did and said, and some other people may recall, but the  
'community' doesn't. Getting patches into CVS takes time, and  
persistence, and diplomatically convincing people that it's the right  
thing to do, and more persistence, and so on. (Personally I'd like it  
to be easier, but that's exactly a *personal* opinion)

So, please do submit patches to fixed any of the issues you mentioned.  
Maybe they'll get applied - or maybe not! But they fact that they're  
not doesn't mean the issues aren't cared about, it just means people  
feel ownership for different parts of the code, and have real lives as  
well as FG, and many other factors. Possibly you'll have to explain in  
several different ways why your believe a change is correct, but  
that's still part of the process, based on my own experience of  
submitting patches.

James

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