Hi, Yes, indeed. I didn't say that is is, over priced, I only said that I don't have enough money, and personally I fully agree with the $800 Price, because if you looked down the list that thom gave us... OH my! 20 Thousand dollars for the Playstation SDK! But then again the big big companies like Rockstar games, or Midway, they can afford it because they make loats and loats of more money than they had to pay. We audio games developers are mostly 1-programmer-companies, which makes that even harder. And I think, but this is my personal opinion, that $800 is a really good price for a game creation toolkit, even sound encryption, which if phillip makes it like in q9, won't be as easy to hack. Also, sapi support... Well, in C++ or even in VB6 you have to creat com objects. But right out of the box, wichout even having to initialize... Also, let's think for a second how long he programs or sits in front of his Computer, to make something FOR US. I mean that is just... Well, yeah. It is awesome. And i bed it is not that easy, because if the code gets bigger and bigger and you need to change stuff around it is, quiet hard to find what you are looking for sometimes. I mean if you over comment then it is not that hard, but it takes far more time. With that all in Mind I will send this mail.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Bennefall" <phi...@blastbay.com> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 01:52:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] news Request > Hi Thomas, > > Thank you for this long and thorough explanation. I get this question all > the time, as a matter of fact. What one is paying for is not the scripting, > because as Tom says there are already plenty of scripting engines out there. > The scripting is merely one of many parts forming the chain that makes it, > in my humble opinion, at least 10 times easier to develop an audio game than > it would in C++. The statement that if one can learn BGT one can directly > learn C++ as well is not true. The syntax, sure, but a language is so much > more than its syntax. C++ itself has none of the advantages that BGT offers, > and if you need to acquire these you'll be talking an even higher price tag > and with more work on the part of the programmer as well. And for those who > want to make free games, the lite version is considerably cheaper. > > Kind regards, > > Philip Bennefall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] news Request > > > > Hello Tom, > > Actually, $800 is a pretty fair price for a tool like BGT Pro. I think > > your opinion that it is over priced is do to the fact you haven't had > > any experience as a professional software developer. I can tell you > > for a fact that similar tools in the programming market would cost far > > more in comparison. Especially, if you begin adding up the cost for > > various software products. Here is some things to look at. > > > > > > FMOD Ex (Shareware License) $100.00 > > FMOD Ex (Casual License) $3,000.00 > > FMOD Ex (Commercial License) $6,000.00 > > Play Station SDK $20,000.00 > > Visual Studio Standard $299.00 > > Visual Studio Professional (without MSDN) $569 > > Visual Studio Professional (with MSDN) $1,299.00 > > Visual Studio Premium (with MSDN) $2,499.00 > > > > Just that alone can run you into thousands of dollars, and we haven't > > even began talking about sounds, music, and voice acting yet. Plus the > > fact BGT is or will be a fully qualified game engine complete with > > scripting, sound encryption, Sapi support, etc out of the box. If you > > use Visual Studio and say FMOD Ex you are going to pay more and still > > have to write a bunch of that stuff from scratch anyway. Plus if you > > want to support a special game console like Play Station Sony charges > > a wopping $20,000 to license their tools and libraries. So $800 isn't > > a bad price realistically speaking. > > If you are comercially selling your games you will earn back that $800 > > pretty quickly. MOTA grosed more than that during preordering, and > > I'm sure the final release will even earn more. > > > > On 4/8/10, lirin <seal11...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> BTW, how many will be cost BGT? i don't know it is true or not, but > >> i've hear something about 800$. > >> > >> When i am thinkinh about this price, i am trying to get a question for > >> my ansfer. > >> > >> Firstly, 800$ is a dramatically price from a nightmare, i mean pro > >> version of BGT. > >> > >> Why we must paying for something like that? Okay, we can only paying for > >> a examples, but for nothing more. > >> > >> If i can learn BGT, i can learn a C++ language too, so, where is a > >> target to get it? > >> > >> Sorry for of topic anyway. > >> > >> On the marked we have tools like that, maybe not for games, but we have, > >> autohotkey, autoit, etc etc, and we have it for free. > >> > >> > >> Maybe i am not a programmer, and don't know it very well, but for me > >> it's something from hell, with full of respect. > >> > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> --- > >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > >> list, > >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > >> > > > > --- > > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > > list, > > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. 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