Good points that I hadn't considered. One thought, though, is that it sure boosts a programmer's morale when they see their name up in lights, so to speak, for the first time. Maybe there should be a section entitled "from new developers" or something to that effect? Not in every issue, but once in a while, there could be mention of what they've done in, say, the last year, maybe in the issue near Christmas?

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About the mag


Hi Darren,

I do agree that the magazine could be streamlined by cutting out and
removing certain content that isn't up to par so to speak. Announcing
every simple freeware or amateur game might not be in our best
interests if we are hoping mainstream developers and gamers into our
ranks. Games like Guess the Numberor BopIt arent' that news worthy,
and I frankly feel that they probably shouldn't get much public
attention from the magazine.

I do think that we should be more professional about how we handle the
magazine and take our queue from professional gaming magazines. This
isn't being intended to be a put down, but mainstream magazines
generally don't publish news and articles on every single practice or
ametur game like Fred's Guess the Number out there. They tend to
publish articles and news based on established developers who have
reached a certain degree of quality and would be of interest to their
readers. If that sounds elitest so be it, but it doesn't hurt to think
about if the game being discussed would be of any real value to the
community at large rather than just filling space.

Let's be fair here. I know exactly how difficult it is to learn to
program, how much time, skill, and energy goes into programming games.
Every single developer starts with something extremely simple like
Blackjack, Guess the Number, or Paper Scissors Rock because they
require very little programming skill and experience to create. Every
developer starts with such simple games and slowly but surely create
more and more complex practice games until they are able to create the
next Shades of Doom or tank Commander. While there is nothing wrong
with helping a amateur developer with improving his/her Guess the
Number or Paper Scissors Rock game they are still only practice
amateur games. Such amateur developers should probably hold off
releasing anything official until they have released a product that
meets a reasonable standard of quality. Of course, what I would
consider a reasonable standard and what someone might consider a
reasonable standard could be quite different.

Cheers!


On 7/31/11, darren harris <darren_g_har...@btinternet.com> wrote:
hi tom and all,

the Audyssey Magazine does do a great deal I think to show just how
effective this community can be.

Ok I do think that some of the game releases are a joke, like the numbers
games there are out there, hangman and the like, but also there have been
some fantastic games out there as well. Castaways among the best of them,
along with time of conflict, tank commander, yeah the story goes on.

Also another point to note as well is that the Magazine also allows for
people to share their experiences of games that weren't specifically
designed with blind people and accessibility in mind, but are otherwise
accessible. Core exiles for one, ashes of angels, unification wars and many
other titles. Also another point to consider as well is that the Magazine
does have the ability to present a formal case for the inclusion of
accessibility in other game titles.

There are probably a lot more people subscribed to audiogames.net than there
are on this list. I mean let's face it if we had a list with thousands of
people on it and active, because it's emails you would be swamped so for
practical reasons it's best to assume that there are far more members on
audiogames.net. so having the Magazine and various ways of distribution is
and can only be a good thing.

I would say though however that the content does need to be more
streamlined. With the recent discussions on getting this community viewed
more favourably by a mainstream community, we aren't going to do it with
numbers games and Simon says type games. We have so many of those that quite honestly we don't need any more and to be blunt the Magazine doesn't need it
either. It's poor representation.

Am not trying to offend anybody, far from it but equally it has to be said that things do need to change with regards to what is brought out by some. Having said that I think the Magazine does offer much more positive things
than negative on the whole. It just depends on what content is included.



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