How can Irom Sharmila's problem different while fighting against the draconian Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA)? Main problem is North Eastern states and Kashmir are not there in the dialogue, when the constitutional rights are in discussion...
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:52 AM, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sorry for having remembered Chengara struggle when u said subaltern > section. :) > secret: i never heard of lalit batra. > discussion here was about (counter)terrorism and the role of 'concerned > citizens'. luckily nobody supported 'terrorists', but state terrorism was > just referred as part of some constitutional flaws only. insulting to irom > sharmila. > > On 5/18/08, C.K. Vishwanath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> look at lalit batra's article in >> seminar(sez-special).i am not saying about any >> particular struggle like chengara. >> --- salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > we've seen recently some civil society initiatives >> > in solidarity with >> > Chengara struggle. branding them of middle class >> > aspirations seems to me not >> > fair. >> > >> > On 5/17/08, C.K. Vishwanath >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > many studies point out that the new civil society >> > > politics represents the aspirations of the middle >> > > class and sidelining the life aspirations of the >> > > subaltern section of the society.the resident >> > welfare >> > > associations are particularly dominating in urban >> > > areas which are an outright anti-subltern >> > minset.it >> > > can be seen in urban areas very clearly(civil >> > society >> > > based politics vs the subltern politics) >> > > --- Murali K Warier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > > but, somebody imagines the 'absolute' justice >> > > > derived from the >> > > > constitution and advocates for the flawless >> > police/ >> > > > military actions >> > > > to maintain the law and order rejecting all >> > civil >> > > > society initiatives to >> > > > observe the accountability of the state, has >> > clear >> > > > dominant class-race >> > > > politics. >> > > > >> > > > Where is it implied that there is no space for >> > civil >> > > > society initiatives? >> > > > The discussion was about a particular >> > suggestion, >> > > > which is redundant and >> > > > even dangerous, considering the politics behind >> > it. >> > > > >> > > > At any rate, why is it assumed that 'civil >> > society >> > > > initiatives' are immune >> > > > to corrupting influences, compared to >> > constitutional >> > > > institutions? Democracy >> > > > to a large extend depends on the unelected (but >> > > > certainly not unaccountable) >> > > > too: >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2734392.cms >> > > > >> > > > * The fundamental mark of a democracy is not >> > > > elections but an institutional >> > > > framework that lays down the rights of the >> > people >> > > > and rules of political >> > > > engagement, and cannot be trampled on by the >> > ruling >> > > > government. The >> > > > framework is typically a Constitution. In many >> > > > countries, Constitutions are >> > > > mere pieces of paper, ignored by rulers. In a >> > true >> > > > democracy like India, the >> > > > Constitution is actually enforced.* >> > > > It is in the enforcement part of it that civil >> > > > society initiatives become >> > > > important. Constitutional law however, is >> > > > non-negotiable. >> > > > >> > > > Best regards, >> > > > Murali >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:55 PM, salimtk >> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > 'decent', 'peaceful' and slow moving life is >> > > > always a desire of no rigid >> > > > > class-caste references. it sure is a harmless >> > > > desire also. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to >> > tell >> > > > people what they don't >> > > > want to hear. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> -- Regards Afthab Ellath --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
