There are many struggles like chengara.I wrote about the resident welfare associations and their role in urban areas.(studies of john harris,lalit batra etc).i have a very close relations with this type of new politics. --- salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sorry for having remembered Chengara struggle when u > said subaltern section. > :) > secret: i never heard of lalit batra. > discussion here was about (counter)terrorism and the > role of 'concerned > citizens'. luckily nobody supported 'terrorists', > but state terrorism was > just referred as part of some constitutional flaws > only. insulting to irom > sharmila. > > On 5/18/08, C.K. Vishwanath > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > look at lalit batra's article in > > seminar(sez-special).i am not saying about any > > particular struggle like chengara. > > --- salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > we've seen recently some civil society > initiatives > > > in solidarity with > > > Chengara struggle. branding them of middle class > > > aspirations seems to me not > > > fair. > > > > > > On 5/17/08, C.K. Vishwanath > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > many studies point out that the new civil > society > > > > politics represents the aspirations of the > middle > > > > class and sidelining the life aspirations of > the > > > > subaltern section of the society.the resident > > > welfare > > > > associations are particularly dominating in > urban > > > > areas which are an outright anti-subltern > > > minset.it > > > > can be seen in urban areas very clearly(civil > > > society > > > > based politics vs the subltern politics) > > > > --- Murali K Warier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > but, somebody imagines the 'absolute' > justice > > > > > derived from the > > > > > constitution and advocates for the flawless > > > police/ > > > > > military actions > > > > > to maintain the law and order rejecting all > > > civil > > > > > society initiatives to > > > > > observe the accountability of the state, has > > > clear > > > > > dominant class-race > > > > > politics. > > > > > > > > > > Where is it implied that there is no space > for > > > civil > > > > > society initiatives? > > > > > The discussion was about a particular > > > suggestion, > > > > > which is redundant and > > > > > even dangerous, considering the politics > behind > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, why is it assumed that 'civil > > > society > > > > > initiatives' are immune > > > > > to corrupting influences, compared to > > > constitutional > > > > > institutions? Democracy > > > > > to a large extend depends on the unelected > (but > > > > > certainly not unaccountable) > > > > > too: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2734392.cms > > > > > > > > > > * The fundamental mark of a democracy is not > > > > > elections but an institutional > > > > > framework that lays down the rights of the > > > people > > > > > and rules of political > > > > > engagement, and cannot be trampled on by the > > > ruling > > > > > government. The > > > > > framework is typically a Constitution. In > many > > > > > countries, Constitutions are > > > > > mere pieces of paper, ignored by rulers. In > a > > > true > > > > > democracy like India, the > > > > > Constitution is actually enforced.* > > > > > It is in the enforcement part of it that > civil > > > > > society initiatives become > > > > > important. Constitutional law however, is > > > > > non-negotiable. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Murali > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:55 PM, salimtk > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > 'decent', 'peaceful' and slow moving life > is > > > > > always a desire of no rigid > > > > > > class-caste references. it sure is a > harmless > > > > > desire also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Liberty, if it means anything, is the right > to > > > tell > > > > > people what they don't > > > > > want to hear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
