Firstly, perhaps the term I meant was actually private server operator. And yes, whilst it can be interpreted to refer to a “passworded” server, It can also be used to refer to the nature of its management - Ergo: Operated by a private entity other than Valve Valve. The term “community server” is somewhat emotive in this debate and it makes it sound like to have no “community servers” is indicative of poor health in the Team Fortress 2 “community” or something of that nature – Something that is not a given.
Secondly, I find it mildly amusing that both Robert and Matthias have the chutzpa to go around telling modded server operators how well their servers are and are not doing – as if the operators themselves don’t know. A Fearts (DISC-FF) was on here earlier saying that Quickplay hasn’t negatively affected his modded servers and in fact since the Quickplay changes they’ve only gotten more popular. I myself have similar experience in this regard. Thirdly, I acknowledge the diversity of this group. However, I do not believe that pedestaling a select few private server operators as the “voice of all privately run servers” is the answer. Nor do I think Valve is interested in limiting itself to who or what it listens to nor would it be interested in having someone else picking and choosing what it hears. If such a group were made, it would need to be headed by someone with no vested interest in privately operated servers – In Vegan parlance this means someone that isn’t running or involved in the running of a community. Fourthly, the routine complaints on this mailing list every time Valve pushes an update is not community outcry, in my view. Every individual here who seems to have an issue with Quickplay has a vested interest in the operation of a privately managed server. Hence, I suspect that most involvement here is triggered by a desire to see one’s privately operated server(s) survive as opposed to any genuine care for the wider Team Fortress 2 community. Fifthly, SLAG was initially brought up by Robert in one of his earlier responses. He used it as an example of a popular modded community that had been significantly hurt by Quickplay, hence my response referring to SLAG's issues at an administrative level that are probably doing it more harm than Quickplay is. If Matthias read Robert’s response, he would have known why this comment was made. Sixthly, if putting forward an opposing point of view and throwing in the occasional ad hominem jibe makes me a troll, then it is a label I shall wear proudly. Thank you. Finally, you can bet your money that if I created a SPUF thread asking “Do you want community servers back in the default Quickplay pool?” that the overwhelming response will be “No”, with specific reference to not wanting things like, A) Advertising B) Fake players C) Pay to win benefits D) Abusive Admins E) Stupid game mods F) Arbitrary rules etc. – These are all stereotypes some Quickplay users “look forward to” when they join a community server and I don’t think Quickplay users more generally speaking want a bar of it. Valve are fully aware of this reality, hence the reason for the change they made in the first place. Regardless, N-Gon has aptly demonstrated the pointlessness of this conversation with his off-topic remark On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 4:21 AM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < [email protected]> wrote: > There is no community outcry, because this is the outcry. You're expecting > an outcry from people who are barely able to adjust their game's settings, > let alone disable the motd in their configs to get rid of annoying ads. > I also don't know why you're bringing up Slag's servers. I've heard a few > stories about him. I know some model designers who he ripped off, he stole > their content without giving two fucks. It is also not quite white-knighty > of a community to sell unmutes and unbans. I wouldn't pick him as the > poster boy for well-run community servers or better phrased "friendly". > If you're questioning the talent that is left in the modding community, > feel free to ask this question again in the next two months. > Honestly, I think you're trying to troll on a high level here. "One of > those vegan types", yeah sure. "Funny" > >
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