On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 04:40  PM, Dale Goodvin wrote:

> and apple in its arrogance doesn't care.  send us your 150 or whatever and
> here's what you get.  period.  no choices even if they are available.  
> and if
> you don't like it, you are "lazy".  Wow.
>
> oh well, go ahead and defend corporate idiocy (actually, we're the idiots,
> the corps are getting off like the bandits they've always been) just 
> because
> it's called "apple" and not "microsoft"  or "enron" or "standard oil (in 
> the
> REAL good ole days!)does not now nor will it ever make it "right."
>
> remember when we used to complain about microsoft issuing a product and 
> then
> adding the infamous .1 and .1.1  and .1.2 or whatever.  we laughed at 
> them.
> used sarcasm--but when it's apple using it's paying customers to develop 
> their
> not ready for prime time products, it's ok.
>
> Well, it's not OK.  I'll tell what that is called:  BS (OR, "The Emperor 
> has
> no clothes").

OH WOW! Rather than answer any of the statements I've made, you shoot them 
down in one fell swoop with some bitter anti-corporate hate mongering. 
Nice shot, bravo.

In all seriousness...... just how much programming experience do you have?
  Ever worked on a project with over a million lines of code? How about an 
OS project? My guess is that you haven't; I have.

Apple could spend most of a decade ironing out a new OS, written mostly 
from scratch, and no matter how experienced or well meaning their 
programmers are, there are going to be bugs. Period. They cannot be 
avoided. Why? Programmers are human, too. They make mistakes.

No number of eyes will EVER be able to catch all the bugs in a program 
that spans millions of lines of code, much less in an OS. There is no 
refuting this; it's simply not possible. BIND, the quasi-internet-standard 
DNS server software, has been around for more than a decade. Thousands of 
programmers have been working on it. They still find bugs (sometimes 
fairly serious ones) all the time.

Given this, if you don't want 10.1.1, 10.1.2, etc, releases, your other 
option is for Apple to have shipped OS X and then ceased development of OS 
X altogether.

You also replied to someone that....

> 1. It is NOT Sarah's fault
> 2. It is Apple's fault

How about "none of the above", eh? Or are you so blinded by your corporate 
hatred that you can't see anything but black and white?


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