Jerry brought up a good point. When I became mail administrator for our company, all I knew was the IPSwitch website. I knew nothing about this list. On one of the pages that talked about 3rd party add-ons was Declude. I had questions about it, so I sent an email to Declude, and R. Scott Perry answered and pointed me in the right direction.
The three best people's that promote Imail are R. Scott Perry, Len Conrad and Jerry Murdock. Not one of them works for Imail. I just hope Ipswitch does not remove links to 3rd party add-ons just because they partner with Symantec. John Tolmachoff, Network Engineer 211 E. Imperial Hwy., Suite 106 Fullerton, CA� 92835 714-578-7999, ext. 104 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reliancesoft.com � -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jerry Murdock Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 5:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Defend Declude! (was: Virus Protection) Wow, I go away for a day and a whole scandal has developed. I am 100% behind Declude and can't see myself recommending anything else. Scott's support and product are great. Although the tactics are slimy, I'm surprised everyone was caught off-guard by this. I got a survey a while back that was VERY heavy into would you buy a virus scanner/how much would you pay for it type questions. I expected an eventual announcement. The majority of Ipswich users are probably unaware of this list and Declude. There is a market there for them that Scott can't easily tap. The pricing is not that far out of line with other per/user licensed products. But from a corporate perspective(the apparent market) it doesn't make sense in most cases. The "suites" that cover all desktop/server products are usually the most cost effective solution. Part of the beauty of Declude is that it fits so well into such environments. But again, Ipswitch has pursued some slimy tactics on the list that I will not easily forgive. The apology was missing a key element: Harry should be sacked. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Defend Declude! (was: Virus Protection) > > >>>I think we should all stand up for Scott in his fight against this new > >>>gorilla. > > > >Why? The pricing totally separates the products, no conflict or overlap at > >all. > > First, I appreciate all of the people who are supporting our > software. And, I'll agree that some people may be overreacting a bit. > > I think the primary issue is that Ipswitch made a conscious decision to > treat us as a competitor. A year ago, we were just one of a couple of > companies selling an addon product for IMail. That's a good thing for > IMail; it helps with their sales. In fact, a number of people contact us > asking if we have a version of Declude for [insert name of other mail > server here]. Some of those people end up buying a copy of IMail, because > it's often cheaper to buy IMail+Declude than to buy one of the competing > products. It's a win-win situation for Ipswitch and us. > > At some point, Ipswitch realized that if we were successful selling a > $500/$800 anti-virus solution (when the competition charges about 10 times > that), they could make a lot of money selling an anti-virus solution for > IMail that was more expensive than ours, but less expensive than the > others. I'm not sure if this was before or after we sent them a copy of > Declude Virus for testing (at their request). They are well aware of > Declude Virus; there are a number of people there who have a good knowledge > of Declude. When they decided to sell an AV solution, rather than come to > us and ask if we wanted to work with them, or just let us know what they > were doing, they made a decision that it would be better not to talk to us, > and not to let us know what they were up to. > > Fast forward to about 10 days ago, when I first got word of this. Not from > Ipswitch, but from someone who had heard from Ipswitch and assumed that we > already knew. I contacted someone at Ipswitch who I have worked with in > the past. When they confirmed that they were releasing an AV solution, I > expressed my concern that they were treating us as a competitor, and asked > for whatever information they could supply. I got a 2-sentence overview, > and the pricing; quite a bit less information than they had already given > out to sales partners of theirs, and quite a bit less information than was > recently posted on here. This coming less than 2 weeks before the release > of the product. > > Now, it seems that Ipswitch has an employee hiding behind a Hotmail account > to address concerns about the new Ipswitch product (and comparing it with > Declude). That's just very unusual. > > I don't see a problem with healthy competition, and I certainly feel that > our product is a very worthy contender, so I don't have a problem there. I > (as are many others) am just confused as to the way that Ipswitch is > treating us. > > -Scott > --- > Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for > IMail. http://www.declude.com > > > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > to be removed from this list. > > An Archive of this list is available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
