Dinesh Ji, You must have already viewed the only herbarium of *A. pannosum* in KEW <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000659530> site. The fruit is not clear there. So, it is hard to tell. I agree that *A. indicum* has more prominent beaks. However, Roxburgh noted "Capsules about twenty, nearly as high as the calyx, in a depressed verticel, very downy, reniform, equally rounded at each end, this mark distinguishes it immediately from *S. indica* and *asiatica*...."
Surely, Roxburgh's plant is not the type species of *Abutilon pannosum*, I think. At the same time my record of *Abutilon indicum* is different, not like yours one in this thread. Thank you Regards surajit On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Surajit ji for all the efforts. > I had posed the query because mericarps of the posted plant are not > well-pointed as I remember to have seen for *A. indicum*, but my > observation does not take care of possibility of variances in pointedness. > Was disappointed to find almost no picture of *A. pannosum*'s fruit on > internet - thus not sure whether the fruit is globose as described OR > seemingly globose. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:17 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Dinesh Ji, the problem is FoP recognizes both *muticum*, with >> different author citation, and *pannosum*. Roxburgh's plant has fruit >> both top and bottom rounded. It appears to me the top of your mericarps are >> not exactly rounded. But at the same time I also understand that what >> Roxburgh recorded in writing may be a bit different with the real thing. >> >> Moreover, Roxburgh's plant is not the only species which is synonymous >> with *A. pannosum*. >> >> So, finally I never reject probability. I just don't know. >> >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, agreed Surajit ji with all your points. >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Garg Sir, >>>> >>>> - I have seen only one *Abutilon* and that is *indicum* >>>> - After going through lit. and efloras I think clear pictures of >>>> fruits, stipules, etc are necessary to id species level of this genus >>>> which >>>> I miss in this thread >>>> - Flora of India, vol3 (BSI) recognizes *pannosum* but doesn't >>>> recognize *muticum*; >>>> >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon> >>>> *;* or are they synonymous? >>>> - Roxburgh's *Sida tomentosa* is synonymous with *Abutilon muticum* G. >>>> Don of FBI, maybe synonymous with *S. pannosum >>>> <http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000659530>* >>>> >>>> I do not think the fruit description of Roxburgh's plant, in FI, >>>> matches with the fruit picture in this thread. Neither the same FI >>>> description matches with other posts identified in our database. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:39 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for validation please. >>>>> >>>>> efi page on Abutilon pannosum >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-pannosum> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 20 February 2015 at 18:57 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:216131] along KSH 34 between Malamba & >>>>> Gundolli :: Abutilon pannosum FOR VALIDATION :: DVFEB47/80 >>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: along KSH34 Malamba & Gundolli] >>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F15962692663&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzekde88pkb7cBA1u24KlyW8HEVjHQ>along >>>>> Karnataka State Highway No. 34 ... between Malamba & Gundolli >>>>> *Date*: 15 OCT 2011 ... *Altitude*: about 640 m asl >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *Abutilon* ¿ *pannosum* ? ... (family: Malvaceae)Dear friends, >>>>> Shrub, about 1 m height; flower about 30 mm across, fruit about 15 mm >>>>> across. >>>>> While it looks like the mericarps are not beaked, not sure whether >>>>> they are round enough to look like the ones at Western Desert Flora >>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwesterndesertflora.geolab.cz%2Fherbarium%2FAbutilon_pannosum.php&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzegB3MlG4goXH1KytNL30j4SsU-MA> >>>>> . >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257258369&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzff8a48gkP9wnYhW3ArQe4fwYW4Ag> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257260471&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfQFAPWqZZIl4HVxm53LZIJcMJXEg> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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