Many many thanks Surajit ji for all your efforts. Yesterday night Anurag helped me with following links ...
*Abutilon hirtum*: herbarium <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20hirtum/P1010874.JPG> | description <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20hirtum/245.pdf.jpg> | picture <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/field/Abutilon%20hirtum/Picture%20076.jpg> *Abutilon pannosum*: herbarium <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20pannosum/P1010873.JPG> | description <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20pannosum/246.pdf.jpg> With all that you discussed and pointed out, I am convinced that the posted plant is not *A. pannosum*; it *must* be *A. hirtum*. Many thanks to Anurag too - especially for the herbarium of *A. pannosum*. Regards. Dinesh On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 8:07 AM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Good morning Dinesh Ji > > I asked myself the very question you have pointed out when I was examining > the KEW herb. My another query was can dried up mericarps have a bit > pointed tip? That is why I cannot rule out any possibility and repeatedly > said that maybe Roxburgh's plant is not the type species. > > Now please check an old thread which was identified and placed under *Abutilon > hirtum* (Lam.) Sweet in our database - > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/TRSEpDxNHCA/6Q8xOMWuu88J, > not the picture of the original post but pic no. Abutilon indicum is it > I2 IMG_5261.jpg and series. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks Anurag for your upload of possible *A. pannosum. *(Perhaps not >> *pannosum* - mericarps do not appear rounded at top, and the calyx is >> relatively very short). >> >> Yes Surajit ji, had seen the KEW herbarium image. Many thanks for >> pointing to the link and for elaborating the features. >> >> My naive query: >> Would that herbarium contain a fruit that was fully matured and dried up >> naturally on the plant ? >> 1) the mericarps could assume different shape as they dry up - thus would >> seem higher than the calyx >> 2) the calyx when drying tend to re-curve; would appear of lesser >> dimension than that seen in a tender fruit - as can be seen in the first >> pic of the posted plant. >> >> So much said - the posted plant may be different; some species other than >> *indicum* AND *pannosum*. :-) >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:38 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dinesh Ji, >>> You must have already viewed the only herbarium of *A. pannosum* in KEW >>> <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000659530> site. >>> The fruit is not clear there. So, it is hard to tell. I agree that *A. >>> indicum* has more prominent beaks. However, Roxburgh noted "Capsules >>> about twenty, nearly as high as the calyx, in a depressed verticel, very >>> downy, reniform, equally rounded at each end, this mark distinguishes it >>> immediately from *S. indica* and *asiatica*...." >>> >>> Surely, Roxburgh's plant is not the type species of *Abutilon pannosum*, >>> I think. >>> At the same time my record of *Abutilon indicum* is different, not like >>> yours one in this thread. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Surajit ji for all the efforts. >>>> I had posed the query because mericarps of the posted plant are not >>>> well-pointed as I remember to have seen for *A. indicum*, but my >>>> observation does not take care of possibility of variances in pointedness. >>>> Was disappointed to find almost no picture of *A. pannosum*'s fruit on >>>> internet - thus not sure whether the fruit is globose as described OR >>>> seemingly globose. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:17 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Dinesh Ji, the problem is FoP recognizes both *muticum*, with >>>>> different author citation, and *pannosum*. Roxburgh's plant has fruit >>>>> both top and bottom rounded. It appears to me the top of your mericarps >>>>> are >>>>> not exactly rounded. But at the same time I also understand that what >>>>> Roxburgh recorded in writing may be a bit different with the real thing. >>>>> >>>>> Moreover, Roxburgh's plant is not the only species which is synonymous >>>>> with *A. pannosum*. >>>>> >>>>> So, finally I never reject probability. I just don't know. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, agreed Surajit ji with all your points. >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Garg Sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - I have seen only one *Abutilon* and that is *indicum* >>>>>>> - After going through lit. and efloras I think clear pictures of >>>>>>> fruits, stipules, etc are necessary to id species level of this >>>>>>> genus which >>>>>>> I miss in this thread >>>>>>> - Flora of India, vol3 (BSI) recognizes *pannosum* but doesn't >>>>>>> recognize *muticum*; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon> >>>>>>> *;* or are they synonymous? >>>>>>> - Roxburgh's *Sida tomentosa* is synonymous with *Abutilon >>>>>>> muticum* G. Don of FBI, maybe synonymous with *S. pannosum >>>>>>> <http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000659530>* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not think the fruit description of Roxburgh's plant, in FI, >>>>>>> matches with the fruit picture in this thread. Neither the same FI >>>>>>> description matches with other posts identified in our database. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:39 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forwarding again for validation please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> efi page on Abutilon pannosum >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-pannosum> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: 20 February 2015 at 18:57 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:216131] along KSH 34 between Malamba & >>>>>>>> Gundolli :: Abutilon pannosum FOR VALIDATION :: DVFEB47/80 >>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: along KSH34 Malamba & Gundolli] >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F15962692663&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzekde88pkb7cBA1u24KlyW8HEVjHQ>along >>>>>>>> Karnataka State Highway No. 34 ... between Malamba & Gundolli >>>>>>>> *Date*: 15 OCT 2011 ... *Altitude*: about 640 m asl >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> *Abutilon* ¿ *pannosum* ? ... (family: Malvaceae)Dear friends, >>>>>>>> Shrub, about 1 m height; flower about 30 mm across, fruit about 15 >>>>>>>> mm across. >>>>>>>> While it looks like the mericarps are not beaked, not sure whether >>>>>>>> they are round enough to look like the ones at Western Desert Flora >>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwesterndesertflora.geolab.cz%2Fherbarium%2FAbutilon_pannosum.php&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzegB3MlG4goXH1KytNL30j4SsU-MA> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257258369&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzff8a48gkP9wnYhW3ArQe4fwYW4Ag> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257260471&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfQFAPWqZZIl4HVxm53LZIJcMJXEg> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>> Plants >>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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