Thanks Anurag for your upload of possible *A. pannosum. *(Perhaps not *pannosum* - mericarps do not appear rounded at top, and the calyx is relatively very short).
Yes Surajit ji, had seen the KEW herbarium image. Many thanks for pointing to the link and for elaborating the features. My naive query: Would that herbarium contain a fruit that was fully matured and dried up naturally on the plant ? 1) the mericarps could assume different shape as they dry up - thus would seem higher than the calyx 2) the calyx when drying tend to re-curve; would appear of lesser dimension than that seen in a tender fruit - as can be seen in the first pic of the posted plant. So much said - the posted plant may be different; some species other than *indicum* AND *pannosum*. :-) Regards. Dinesh On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:38 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Dinesh Ji, > You must have already viewed the only herbarium of *A. pannosum* in KEW > <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000659530> site. > The fruit is not clear there. So, it is hard to tell. I agree that *A. > indicum* has more prominent beaks. However, Roxburgh noted "Capsules > about twenty, nearly as high as the calyx, in a depressed verticel, very > downy, reniform, equally rounded at each end, this mark distinguishes it > immediately from *S. indica* and *asiatica*...." > > Surely, Roxburgh's plant is not the type species of *Abutilon pannosum*, > I think. > At the same time my record of *Abutilon indicum* is different, not like > yours one in this thread. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks Surajit ji for all the efforts. >> I had posed the query because mericarps of the posted plant are not >> well-pointed as I remember to have seen for *A. indicum*, but my >> observation does not take care of possibility of variances in pointedness. >> Was disappointed to find almost no picture of *A. pannosum*'s fruit on >> internet - thus not sure whether the fruit is globose as described OR >> seemingly globose. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:17 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Dinesh Ji, the problem is FoP recognizes both *muticum*, with >>> different author citation, and *pannosum*. Roxburgh's plant has fruit >>> both top and bottom rounded. It appears to me the top of your mericarps are >>> not exactly rounded. But at the same time I also understand that what >>> Roxburgh recorded in writing may be a bit different with the real thing. >>> >>> Moreover, Roxburgh's plant is not the only species which is synonymous >>> with *A. pannosum*. >>> >>> So, finally I never reject probability. I just don't know. >>> >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, agreed Surajit ji with all your points. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Garg Sir, >>>>> >>>>> - I have seen only one *Abutilon* and that is *indicum* >>>>> - After going through lit. and efloras I think clear pictures of >>>>> fruits, stipules, etc are necessary to id species level of this genus >>>>> which >>>>> I miss in this thread >>>>> - Flora of India, vol3 (BSI) recognizes *pannosum* but doesn't >>>>> recognize *muticum*; >>>>> >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon> >>>>> *;* or are they synonymous? >>>>> - Roxburgh's *Sida tomentosa* is synonymous with *Abutilon muticum* G. >>>>> Don of FBI, maybe synonymous with *S. pannosum >>>>> <http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000659530>* >>>>> >>>>> I do not think the fruit description of Roxburgh's plant, in FI, >>>>> matches with the fruit picture in this thread. Neither the same FI >>>>> description matches with other posts identified in our database. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:39 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again for validation please. >>>>>> >>>>>> efi page on Abutilon pannosum >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-pannosum> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: 20 February 2015 at 18:57 >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:216131] along KSH 34 between Malamba & >>>>>> Gundolli :: Abutilon pannosum FOR VALIDATION :: DVFEB47/80 >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: along KSH34 Malamba & Gundolli] >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F15962692663&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzekde88pkb7cBA1u24KlyW8HEVjHQ>along >>>>>> Karnataka State Highway No. 34 ... between Malamba & Gundolli >>>>>> *Date*: 15 OCT 2011 ... *Altitude*: about 640 m asl >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *Abutilon* ¿ *pannosum* ? ... (family: Malvaceae)Dear friends, >>>>>> Shrub, about 1 m height; flower about 30 mm across, fruit about 15 mm >>>>>> across. >>>>>> While it looks like the mericarps are not beaked, not sure whether >>>>>> they are round enough to look like the ones at Western Desert Flora >>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwesterndesertflora.geolab.cz%2Fherbarium%2FAbutilon_pannosum.php&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzegB3MlG4goXH1KytNL30j4SsU-MA> >>>>>> . >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257258369&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzff8a48gkP9wnYhW3ArQe4fwYW4Ag> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257260471&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfQFAPWqZZIl4HVxm53LZIJcMJXEg> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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