This is a very interesting thread. I have posted in a separate thread what I believe is A. pannosum with all the relevant details. Please take a look, Dinesh sir, Surajit sir.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/ANFEB39$20Abutilon$20pannosum$20%28please$20validate%29|sort:relevance/indiantreepix/bhHzjFXfdcc/O7RbSZeyZ_EJ On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:38 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Dinesh Ji, > You must have already viewed the only herbarium of *A. pannosum* in KEW > <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000659530> site. > The fruit is not clear there. So, it is hard to tell. I agree that *A. > indicum* has more prominent beaks. However, Roxburgh noted "Capsules > about twenty, nearly as high as the calyx, in a depressed verticel, very > downy, reniform, equally rounded at each end, this mark distinguishes it > immediately from *S. indica* and *asiatica*...." > > Surely, Roxburgh's plant is not the type species of *Abutilon pannosum*, > I think. > At the same time my record of *Abutilon indicum* is different, not like > yours one in this thread. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks Surajit ji for all the efforts. >> I had posed the query because mericarps of the posted plant are not >> well-pointed as I remember to have seen for *A. indicum*, but my >> observation does not take care of possibility of variances in pointedness. >> Was disappointed to find almost no picture of *A. pannosum*'s fruit on >> internet - thus not sure whether the fruit is globose as described OR >> seemingly globose. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:17 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Dinesh Ji, the problem is FoP recognizes both *muticum*, with >>> different author citation, and *pannosum*. Roxburgh's plant has fruit >>> both top and bottom rounded. It appears to me the top of your mericarps are >>> not exactly rounded. But at the same time I also understand that what >>> Roxburgh recorded in writing may be a bit different with the real thing. >>> >>> Moreover, Roxburgh's plant is not the only species which is synonymous >>> with *A. pannosum*. >>> >>> So, finally I never reject probability. I just don't know. >>> >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, agreed Surajit ji with all your points. >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Garg Sir, >>>>> >>>>> - I have seen only one *Abutilon* and that is *indicum* >>>>> - After going through lit. and efloras I think clear pictures of >>>>> fruits, stipules, etc are necessary to id species level of this genus >>>>> which >>>>> I miss in this thread >>>>> - Flora of India, vol3 (BSI) recognizes *pannosum* but doesn't >>>>> recognize *muticum*; >>>>> >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon> >>>>> *;* or are they synonymous? >>>>> - Roxburgh's *Sida tomentosa* is synonymous with *Abutilon muticum* G. >>>>> Don of FBI, maybe synonymous with *S. pannosum >>>>> <http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000659530>* >>>>> >>>>> I do not think the fruit description of Roxburgh's plant, in FI, >>>>> matches with the fruit picture in this thread. Neither the same FI >>>>> description matches with other posts identified in our database. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:39 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again for validation please. >>>>>> >>>>>> efi page on Abutilon pannosum >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-pannosum> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: 20 February 2015 at 18:57 >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:216131] along KSH 34 between Malamba & >>>>>> Gundolli :: Abutilon pannosum FOR VALIDATION :: DVFEB47/80 >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: along KSH34 Malamba & Gundolli] >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F15962692663&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzekde88pkb7cBA1u24KlyW8HEVjHQ>along >>>>>> Karnataka State Highway No. 34 ... between Malamba & Gundolli >>>>>> *Date*: 15 OCT 2011 ... *Altitude*: about 640 m asl >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *Abutilon* ¿ *pannosum* ? ... (family: Malvaceae)Dear friends, >>>>>> Shrub, about 1 m height; flower about 30 mm across, fruit about 15 mm >>>>>> across. >>>>>> While it looks like the mericarps are not beaked, not sure whether >>>>>> they are round enough to look like the ones at Western Desert Flora >>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwesterndesertflora.geolab.cz%2Fherbarium%2FAbutilon_pannosum.php&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzegB3MlG4goXH1KytNL30j4SsU-MA> >>>>>> . >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257258369&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzff8a48gkP9wnYhW3ArQe4fwYW4Ag> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257260471&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfQFAPWqZZIl4HVxm53LZIJcMJXEg> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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