About 26 or 28 Surajit ji. Regards. Dinesh On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:25 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Vijay Sir. > Dinesh Ji, can you please check the number of carpels, which is still > green in one of your photographs? > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> OK Vijayasankar ji !!!! Thank you very much. >> I think we worked hard :-) but the efforts have helped in knowing about >> abutilons a bit better. >> Will go with Abutilon indicum. >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dinesh ji, >>> >>> The posted plant could be as simple as Abutilon indicum. The mericarps >>> are acute (not rounded at tip), about 18 (20 or less) and the plant doesn't >>> seem to have viscid hairs - all pointing to A. indicum. >>> >>> Vijay >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D. >>> Research Scientist >>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>> University of Mississippi, MS, USA >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:18 AM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you again Dinesh Ji. >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh yes Surajit ji ... colours in descriptions help in general >>>>> identification. Variation in colours is quite possible. Thanks for this >>>>> clarity. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:14 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much Dinesh Ji, for everything and links. >>>>>> I would like to add that description and picture in FloraKarnataka >>>>>> (or anywhere else) should not be taken as exhaustive. Vijay Sir has >>>>>> flower >>>>>> without "purple" base - >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/itKwnycckx8/sl-J3Mdmmv4J >>>>>> Many thanks to Anurag Ji as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Many many thanks Surajit ji for all your efforts. >>>>>>> Yesterday night Anurag helped me with following links ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Abutilon hirtum*: herbarium >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20hirtum/P1010874.JPG> >>>>>>> | description >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20hirtum/245.pdf.jpg> >>>>>>> | picture >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/field/Abutilon%20hirtum/Picture%20076.jpg> >>>>>>> *Abutilon pannosum*: herbarium >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20pannosum/P1010873.JPG> >>>>>>> | description >>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20pannosum/246.pdf.jpg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With all that you discussed and pointed out, I am convinced that the >>>>>>> posted plant is not *A. pannosum*; it *must* be *A. hirtum*. >>>>>>> Many thanks to Anurag too - especially for the herbarium of *A. >>>>>>> pannosum*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 8:07 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good morning Dinesh Ji >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I asked myself the very question you have pointed out when I was >>>>>>>> examining the KEW herb. My another query was can dried up mericarps >>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>> bit pointed tip? That is why I cannot rule out any possibility and >>>>>>>> repeatedly said that maybe Roxburgh's plant is not the type species. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now please check an old thread which was identified and placed >>>>>>>> under *Abutilon hirtum* (Lam.) Sweet in our database - >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/TRSEpDxNHCA/6Q8xOMWuu88J, >>>>>>>> not the picture of the original post but pic no. Abutilon indicum >>>>>>>> is it I2 IMG_5261.jpg and series. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Anurag for your upload of possible *A. pannosum. *(Perhaps >>>>>>>>> not *pannosum* - mericarps do not appear rounded at top, and the >>>>>>>>> calyx is relatively very short). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes Surajit ji, had seen the KEW herbarium image. Many thanks for >>>>>>>>> pointing to the link and for elaborating the features. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My naive query: >>>>>>>>> Would that herbarium contain a fruit that was fully matured and >>>>>>>>> dried up naturally on the plant ? >>>>>>>>> 1) the mericarps could assume different shape as they dry up - >>>>>>>>> thus would seem higher than the calyx >>>>>>>>> 2) the calyx when drying tend to re-curve; would appear of lesser >>>>>>>>> dimension than that seen in a tender fruit - as can be seen in the >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> pic of the posted plant. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So much said - the posted plant may be different; some species >>>>>>>>> other than *indicum* AND *pannosum*. :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:38 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dinesh Ji, >>>>>>>>>> You must have already viewed the only herbarium of *A. pannosum* in >>>>>>>>>> KEW >>>>>>>>>> <http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000659530> >>>>>>>>>> site. The fruit is not clear there. So, it is hard to tell. I agree >>>>>>>>>> that *A. >>>>>>>>>> indicum* has more prominent beaks. However, Roxburgh noted >>>>>>>>>> "Capsules about twenty, nearly as high as the calyx, in a depressed >>>>>>>>>> verticel, very downy, reniform, equally rounded at each end, this >>>>>>>>>> mark >>>>>>>>>> distinguishes it immediately from *S. indica* and *asiatica*...." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Surely, Roxburgh's plant is not the type species of *Abutilon >>>>>>>>>> pannosum*, I think. >>>>>>>>>> At the same time my record of *Abutilon indicum* is different, >>>>>>>>>> not like yours one in this thread. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Surajit ji for all the efforts. >>>>>>>>>>> I had posed the query because mericarps of the posted plant are >>>>>>>>>>> not well-pointed as I remember to have seen for *A. indicum*, >>>>>>>>>>> but my observation does not take care of possibility of variances in >>>>>>>>>>> pointedness. Was disappointed to find almost no picture of *A. >>>>>>>>>>> pannosum*'s fruit on internet - thus not sure whether the fruit >>>>>>>>>>> is globose as described OR seemingly globose. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:17 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Dinesh Ji, the problem is FoP recognizes both >>>>>>>>>>>> *muticum*, with different author citation, and *pannosum*. >>>>>>>>>>>> Roxburgh's plant has fruit both top and bottom rounded. It appears >>>>>>>>>>>> to me >>>>>>>>>>>> the top of your mericarps are not exactly rounded. But at the same >>>>>>>>>>>> time I >>>>>>>>>>>> also understand that what Roxburgh recorded in writing may be a bit >>>>>>>>>>>> different with the real thing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, Roxburgh's plant is not the only species which is >>>>>>>>>>>> synonymous with *A. pannosum*. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, finally I never reject probability. I just don't know. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Dinesh Valke < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, agreed Surajit ji with all your points. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Garg Sir, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I have seen only one *Abutilon* and that is *indicum* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - After going through lit. and efloras I think clear >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pictures of fruits, stipules, etc are necessary to id species >>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> genus which I miss in this thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Flora of India, vol3 (BSI) recognizes *pannosum* but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't recognize *muticum*; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *;* or are they synonymous? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Roxburgh's *Sida tomentosa* is synonymous with *Abutilon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> muticum* G. Don of FBI, maybe synonymous with *S. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pannosum >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000659530>* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the fruit description of Roxburgh's plant, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FI, matches with the fruit picture in this thread. Neither the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same FI >>>>>>>>>>>>>> description matches with other posts identified in our database. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:39 AM, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for validation please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efi page on Abutilon pannosum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-pannosum> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 20 February 2015 at 18:57 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:216131] along KSH 34 between Malamba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & Gundolli :: Abutilon pannosum FOR VALIDATION :: DVFEB47/80 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: along KSH34 Malamba & Gundolli] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F15962692663&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzekde88pkb7cBA1u24KlyW8HEVjHQ>along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karnataka State Highway No. 34 ... between Malamba & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gundolli >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date*: 15 OCT 2011 ... *Altitude*: about 640 m asl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Abutilon* ¿ *pannosum* ? ... (family: Malvaceae)Dear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shrub, about 1 m height; flower about 30 mm across, fruit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 15 mm across. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While it looks like the mericarps are not beaked, not sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether they are round enough to look like the ones at Western >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desert Flora >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwesterndesertflora.geolab.cz%2Fherbarium%2FAbutilon_pannosum.php&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzegB3MlG4goXH1KytNL30j4SsU-MA> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257258369&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzff8a48gkP9wnYhW3ArQe4fwYW4Ag> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Abutilon ¿ pannosum ?] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F6257260471&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfQFAPWqZZIl4HVxm53LZIJcMJXEg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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