Thank you Ushadi, Garg Ji and Tapas Da for enlightenment and encouragement.
Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> wrote: > First time a collaboration has started between India (BSI) and the Natural > History Museum, London through positive initiative of MOEF & CC. Hope > further collaboration with other Institutions will take place in near > future to achieve the target. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 15:05 J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Tapas ji. >> Some dynamic out of the world leadership is required to deliver such big >> projects. >> >> On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 2:45 PM Tapas Chakrabarty, <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Saroj ji, >>> If we look at History, we find that it were the initiatives of some >>> persons which held. In case of Nepal, it was Hiroshi Hara, who realized >>> some similarities between floristic elements of Japan and East Himalayas, >>> initiated extensive efforts and brought out the Flora of East Himalayas. >>> For Pakistan, it was Prof. Nasir who invited experts for help in preparing >>> Flora of West Pakistan. In Sri Lanka, Dr. Dassanayake delivered the job. As >>> regards Bhutan, their Govt invited BSI for their Flora and BSI carried out >>> a number of field trips and brought out Materials for the Flora of Bhutan >>> but they never published any further. After a reasonable wait, the Govt of >>> Bhutan invited the officials at Endiburgh Botanic Garden and finally Dr. >>> Grierson and Dr. DG Long were the key persons who brought out Flora of >>> Bhutan. In Bangladesh, some Botanists are showing interest now. Even a >>> Chinese team has now initiated a Project on Flora of Myanmar. The people at >>> Leiden have brought out Flora of Thailand as per request of Thai Govt. >>> In India, we need a dynamic stewardship to see through our Flora which >>> can be achieved through integrated and co-ordinated efforts. >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 12:45 J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Well said, Ushadi. >>>> >>>> On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 11:11 AM Ushadi Micromini, < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Saroj ji >>>>> we are all in the same boat >>>>> as they say in the west... >>>>> govt makes haste very slowly!!! >>>>> >>>>> go figure. >>>>> >>>>> but to tell you the truth, Saroj i >>>>> you are making a very concerted valiant effort in numbers and range >>>>> and soon you will have enough to start thinking of publishing your own >>>>> findings >>>>> such as "botanical finds of a citizen scientist " >>>>> or "walk with me" kind of series >>>>> or some such. >>>>> and coming folks will refer to your books >>>>> and build upon that >>>>> >>>>> every bit counts >>>>> usha di >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all! >>>>>> >>>>>> Like this nice खटपट 😁however so imformative! By the way Nepal is way >>>>>> behin. Go vernment officials do no deliver the responsibility they are >>>>>> intrusted . Nepal supposed to publish 10 volumes of Flora of Nepal in >>>>>> support of RBGE but only one volume 3 is published so far ! >>>>>> >>>>>> You guys are quite lucky in this regard I guess. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, 09:40 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks everybody for very interesting discussions, particularly from >>>>>>> our three stalwards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed 12 Sep, 2018, 10:49 PM Tapas Chakrabarty, <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you Usha di for your good words. >>>>>>>> There is nothing on a person in this thread but only discussion >>>>>>>> going on. >>>>>>>> Pankaj ji is a bright researcher and I know about his work via RG. >>>>>>>> I intentionally attached here two articles that highlight the need >>>>>>>> of a national Flora. >>>>>>>> There is indeed shortage of taxonomists capable of bringing out our >>>>>>>> Flora. >>>>>>>> Flora of China is the brainchild of Dr. Peter Raven and Flora >>>>>>>> Malesiana was initiated in the Fifties by Dr. Van Steenis. Flora of >>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>> was initiated in 1978 by BSI and they were obviously inspired by Fl. >>>>>>>> Malesiana. While Fl. China was completed in record time, through >>>>>>>> partial >>>>>>>> revisions, Fl. Malesiana is taking generations because of the high >>>>>>>> standard >>>>>>>> monographic studies. >>>>>>>> I feel that it is now high time to switch over to China model and >>>>>>>> bring out a workable Flora and then we can continue monographic studies >>>>>>>> including molecular phylogenetics. >>>>>>>> Taxonomic research is partly based on literature and partly on >>>>>>>> herbarium material. >>>>>>>> Previously it was very difficult to get access to classical >>>>>>>> literature as well as the specimens distributed to the European >>>>>>>> herbaria. >>>>>>>> The Leiden herbarium had uploaded all their digitized specimens >>>>>>>> (including Utrecht) in their website about two years back and last >>>>>>>> month >>>>>>>> they uploaded all Volumes of Blumea including Blumea Supplements for >>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>> access. >>>>>>>> In India, we have to depend on the library holdings for literature. >>>>>>>> Fortunately BHL (again thanks go to Missouri Botanic Garden) scanned >>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>> of the classical taxonomic literature and uploaded for free access. >>>>>>>> With most of the European herbaria putting digital images of types >>>>>>>> in their websites or at least to JSTOR, it is now easy to carry out >>>>>>>> taxonomic research in Indian context with much confidence. >>>>>>>> Within our country we have to visit various herbaria for >>>>>>>> consultation. Loan has been discontinued. Type specimens images >>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>> only on request. >>>>>>>> With the advent of digital photography there is a resurgence in >>>>>>>> field photography and almost all publications are now bringing out >>>>>>>> excellent images of plants. >>>>>>>> To conclude, a dedicated teamwork seems necessary to bring out a >>>>>>>> workable Flora with partial revisionary studies. >>>>>>>> The Library at Indian Museum is now almost non-functional and going >>>>>>>> without any addition. However, the Library in the Central National >>>>>>>> Herbarium is possibly the best in India from taxonomic point of view. >>>>>>>> Thanks and regards, >>>>>>>> Tapas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 21:50 Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pankaj: >>>>>>>>> well, if i recall you were in Dehra dun and had sent me a birds >>>>>>>>> call cd >>>>>>>>> and in some other thread said cant find sitaphal up there >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but I had them here just coming to market in large numbers >>>>>>>>> and so i offered to send you a few kgs >>>>>>>>> i dont remember sending them to you, may be you demurred? >>>>>>>>> but we talked of dragon fruit and sitaphal etc... that you had in >>>>>>>>> HK? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> well , never mind. >>>>>>>>> be happy usha di >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sitaphal? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 15:44, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tapasda >>>>>>>>>>> yes Thank you for sharing the list >>>>>>>>>>> and often BHL / they dont let me download a book pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I find there are many other sources for these old books >>>>>>>>>>> i generally find them >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> but old lists and descriptions are just that >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> = >>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:58 AM, Tapas Chakrabarty < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Literature available in BHL are mostly classical publications >>>>>>>>>>>> and many are written in Latin but that is the foundation of the >>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>> plant taxonomy; plant identification is only a part of the >>>>>>>>>>>> subject. It was >>>>>>>>>>>> very difficult to obtain classical literature prior to BHL and >>>>>>>>>>>> Botanicus >>>>>>>>>>>> era. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 01:37 Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>>>>> "There are proper books " >>>>>>>>>>>>> any modern ones??? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the flora in bhl site is from 1800s >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavetta hongkongensis Bremek. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Pankaj ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:43 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Pankaj ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue 11 Sep, 2018, 8:18 AM Pankaj Kumar, < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I have not. Yes I know the orchids well though but other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plants I need to check the keys. Hong Kong has very well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented flora >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fauna because it is a very small place. There are proper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> books and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> online materials to check. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 at 10:22, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Pankaj ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have great knowledge of Flora of Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue 11 Sep, 2018, 6:12 AM Pankaj Kumar, < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This looks like Pavetta hongkongensis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 21:54, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location: Victoria Peak, Hong Kong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 12 August 2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elevation: 1300 ft. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Wild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****************************************************** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************************** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Office*: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> China >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *email*: [email protected]; 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