for our website records this thread shows the fruits of possibly pavetta from hong kong
was a travel photos so no chance of visiting the same plant when flowering diagnosis is based on morphology of the leaves and the infered inflorescence shape etc and Pankaj's experience with hong kong flora is my summary correct, Pankaj, ? Garg ji, Tapasda? usha di ps i made this summary because we meandered freely in this thread quite fruitfully, i may say. yet we do need a summary On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 6:24 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> wrote: > It is really good to know that BSI is collaborating with Natural History > Museum now. > Seems like there is going to be an end of the biggest hurdle this way. > No matter who started in China or Pakistan, the positive thing was, both > government agreed to collaborate with scientists around the world to bring > out the flora of their respective countries. In return (actually never > heard of a big taxonomist's name in current days from one neighbor) China > does have lot of well trained expert botanists and taxonomists. Because > they learnt from outsiders. I have friends in China with whom I am > surprised by their knowledge on plants. And now Chinese are not at all > dependent on outsiders any more, but yet they dont stop collaborating. > I am not saying India doesnt have good scientists or taxonomists, but I am > saying India was not making good use of them. But such collaborations give > a sense of optimism. > Thanks a lot for the good news Tapas sir. > Best regards > Pankaj > > > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 23:58, Saroj Kasaju <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Ushadi, Garg Ji and Tapas Da for enlightenment >> and encouragement. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Saroj Kasaju >> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> First time a collaboration has started between India (BSI) and the >>> Natural History Museum, London through positive initiative of MOEF & CC. >>> Hope further collaboration with other Institutions will take place in near >>> future to achieve the target. >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 15:05 J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Tapas ji. >>>> Some dynamic out of the world leadership is required to deliver such >>>> big projects. >>>> >>>> On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 2:45 PM Tapas Chakrabarty, <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Saroj ji, >>>>> If we look at History, we find that it were the initiatives of some >>>>> persons which held. In case of Nepal, it was Hiroshi Hara, who realized >>>>> some similarities between floristic elements of Japan and East Himalayas, >>>>> initiated extensive efforts and brought out the Flora of East Himalayas. >>>>> For Pakistan, it was Prof. Nasir who invited experts for help in preparing >>>>> Flora of West Pakistan. In Sri Lanka, Dr. Dassanayake delivered the job. >>>>> As >>>>> regards Bhutan, their Govt invited BSI for their Flora and BSI carried out >>>>> a number of field trips and brought out Materials for the Flora of Bhutan >>>>> but they never published any further. After a reasonable wait, the Govt of >>>>> Bhutan invited the officials at Endiburgh Botanic Garden and finally Dr. >>>>> Grierson and Dr. DG Long were the key persons who brought out Flora of >>>>> Bhutan. In Bangladesh, some Botanists are showing interest now. Even a >>>>> Chinese team has now initiated a Project on Flora of Myanmar. The people >>>>> at >>>>> Leiden have brought out Flora of Thailand as per request of Thai Govt. >>>>> In India, we need a dynamic stewardship to see through our Flora which >>>>> can be achieved through integrated and co-ordinated efforts. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 12:45 J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well said, Ushadi. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 11:11 AM Ushadi Micromini, < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Saroj ji >>>>>>> we are all in the same boat >>>>>>> as they say in the west... >>>>>>> govt makes haste very slowly!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> go figure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but to tell you the truth, Saroj i >>>>>>> you are making a very concerted valiant effort in numbers and range >>>>>>> and soon you will have enough to start thinking of publishing your >>>>>>> own findings >>>>>>> such as "botanical finds of a citizen scientist " >>>>>>> or "walk with me" kind of series >>>>>>> or some such. >>>>>>> and coming folks will refer to your books >>>>>>> and build upon that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> every bit counts >>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like this nice खटपट 😁however so imformative! By the way Nepal is >>>>>>>> way behin. Go vernment officials do no deliver the responsibility they >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> intrusted . Nepal supposed to publish 10 volumes of Flora of Nepal in >>>>>>>> support of RBGE but only one volume 3 is published so far ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You guys are quite lucky in this regard I guess. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, 09:40 J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks everybody for very interesting discussions, particularly >>>>>>>>> from our three stalwards. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed 12 Sep, 2018, 10:49 PM Tapas Chakrabarty, < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you Usha di for your good words. >>>>>>>>>> There is nothing on a person in this thread but only discussion >>>>>>>>>> going on. >>>>>>>>>> Pankaj ji is a bright researcher and I know about his work via >>>>>>>>>> RG. >>>>>>>>>> I intentionally attached here two articles that highlight the >>>>>>>>>> need of a national Flora. >>>>>>>>>> There is indeed shortage of taxonomists capable of bringing out >>>>>>>>>> our Flora. >>>>>>>>>> Flora of China is the brainchild of Dr. Peter Raven and Flora >>>>>>>>>> Malesiana was initiated in the Fifties by Dr. Van Steenis. Flora of >>>>>>>>>> India >>>>>>>>>> was initiated in 1978 by BSI and they were obviously inspired by Fl. >>>>>>>>>> Malesiana. While Fl. China was completed in record time, through >>>>>>>>>> partial >>>>>>>>>> revisions, Fl. Malesiana is taking generations because of the high >>>>>>>>>> standard >>>>>>>>>> monographic studies. >>>>>>>>>> I feel that it is now high time to switch over to China model and >>>>>>>>>> bring out a workable Flora and then we can continue monographic >>>>>>>>>> studies >>>>>>>>>> including molecular phylogenetics. >>>>>>>>>> Taxonomic research is partly based on literature and partly on >>>>>>>>>> herbarium material. >>>>>>>>>> Previously it was very difficult to get access to classical >>>>>>>>>> literature as well as the specimens distributed to the European >>>>>>>>>> herbaria. >>>>>>>>>> The Leiden herbarium had uploaded all their digitized specimens >>>>>>>>>> (including Utrecht) in their website about two years back and last >>>>>>>>>> month >>>>>>>>>> they uploaded all Volumes of Blumea including Blumea Supplements for >>>>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>>>> access. >>>>>>>>>> In India, we have to depend on the library holdings for >>>>>>>>>> literature. Fortunately BHL (again thanks go to Missouri Botanic >>>>>>>>>> Garden) >>>>>>>>>> scanned most of the classical taxonomic literature and uploaded for >>>>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>>>> access. >>>>>>>>>> With most of the European herbaria putting digital images of >>>>>>>>>> types in their websites or at least to JSTOR, it is now easy to >>>>>>>>>> carry out >>>>>>>>>> taxonomic research in Indian context with much confidence. >>>>>>>>>> Within our country we have to visit various herbaria for >>>>>>>>>> consultation. Loan has been discontinued. Type specimens images >>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>> only on request. >>>>>>>>>> With the advent of digital photography there is a resurgence in >>>>>>>>>> field photography and almost all publications are now bringing out >>>>>>>>>> excellent images of plants. >>>>>>>>>> To conclude, a dedicated teamwork seems necessary to bring out a >>>>>>>>>> workable Flora with partial revisionary studies. >>>>>>>>>> The Library at Indian Museum is now almost non-functional and >>>>>>>>>> going without any addition. However, the Library in the Central >>>>>>>>>> National >>>>>>>>>> Herbarium is possibly the best in India from taxonomic point of view. >>>>>>>>>> Thanks and regards, >>>>>>>>>> Tapas >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 21:50 Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj: >>>>>>>>>>> well, if i recall you were in Dehra dun and had sent me a birds >>>>>>>>>>> call cd >>>>>>>>>>> and in some other thread said cant find sitaphal up there >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> but I had them here just coming to market in large numbers >>>>>>>>>>> and so i offered to send you a few kgs >>>>>>>>>>> i dont remember sending them to you, may be you demurred? >>>>>>>>>>> but we talked of dragon fruit and sitaphal etc... that you had >>>>>>>>>>> in HK? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> well , never mind. >>>>>>>>>>> be happy usha di >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Pankaj Kumar < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sitaphal? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 15:44, Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tapasda >>>>>>>>>>>>> yes Thank you for sharing the list >>>>>>>>>>>>> and often BHL / they dont let me download a book pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I find there are many other sources for these old books >>>>>>>>>>>>> i generally find them >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> but old lists and descriptions are just that >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> = >>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:58 AM, Tapas Chakrabarty < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Literature available in BHL are mostly classical publications >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many are written in Latin but that is the foundation of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plant taxonomy; plant identification is only a part of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> subject. It was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very difficult to obtain classical literature prior to BHL and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Botanicus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> era. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 01:37 Ushadi Micromini < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There are proper books " >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any modern ones??? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the flora in bhl site is from 1800s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavetta hongkongensis Bremek. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Pankaj ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:43 AM, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Pankaj ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue 11 Sep, 2018, 8:18 AM Pankaj Kumar, < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I have not. Yes I know the orchids well though but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other plants I need to check the keys. Hong Kong has very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well documented >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flora and fauna because it is a very small place. There are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proper books >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and online materials to check. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 at 10:22, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Pankaj ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have great knowledge of Flora of Hong Kong. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue 11 Sep, 2018, 6:12 AM Pankaj Kumar, < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This looks like Pavetta hongkongensis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 21:54, Saroj Kasaju < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Members, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location: Victoria Peak, Hong Kong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 12 August 2018 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elevation: 1300 ft. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Wild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saroj Kasaju >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****************************************************** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************************** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Office*: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S.A.R., China >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +852 9436 6251 (mobile); *Fax*: +852 2483 7194 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ****************************************************** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ************************************ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************************** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Office*: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orchid Conservation Section >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flora Conservation Department >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kadoorie Farm and Botanic Garden (KFBG) Corporation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> China >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *email*: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Phone*: +852 2483 7128 (office - 8:30am to 5:00pm); 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