Hi, Dinesh ji, As all has now been identified as Lindernia crustacea <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/>, it has to be the same i.e. with the winged calyx.
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:56, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Garg ji, when I go through photographs posted in SK 3258 24 December 2021 > <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> that show > calyx, they do not seem to me as "distinctly winged" or ribbed. They look > to me rather as separated sepals. That is how I perceive. > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, Dinesh ji, >> How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia >> crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ? >> I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to >> Lindernia crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx. >> Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021 >> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >> >> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and >>> therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist. >>> But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link to >>> this discussion. >>> >>> All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do >>> not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia >>> crustacea. >>> I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give his >>> views regarding this discussion. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Dinesh, >>>> I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from >>>> T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly >>>> winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea >>>> as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T. >>>> godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics, >>>> herbarium pics of T. godefroy to compare with. >>>> Tabish >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* >>>>> C.J.Saldanha for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri >>>>> <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137952066>, and 2) of Nagla >>>>> forest <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/72003993>. >>>>> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany >>>>> disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. >>>>> & Schltdl. >>>>> He says: >>>>> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. >>>>> godefroyi* have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also >>>>> distributed in West Bengal." >>>>> >>>>> Aaratrik Pal <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aaratrik-Pal> has >>>>> written many articles related to *Torenia* spp. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr. >>>>>> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can >>>>>> see it in my posted plants. >>>>>> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the >>>>>> sepals are not completely enclosing the mature capsule. >>>>>> >>>>>> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than >>>>>> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. >>>>>> I am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his >>>>>> comments soon and help resolve the ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or >>>>>>> *Torenia >>>>>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and >>>>>>> Cambodia). >>>>>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia >>>>>>> crustacea >>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> like >>>>>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021 >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >>>>>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Huo2W3tvDdU> >>>>>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pAcb_GQuLTE> >>>>>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district >>>>>>> (Metro), Assam >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/KU3HUbO0DnM> >>>>>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >>>>>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) >>>>>>> F.Muell. : sk03 >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/aobL5G85kmA> >>>>>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia >>>>>>> crustacea? >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >>>>>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/zMNeXJM7Bdc> >>>>>>> for id. request. BRS 522 >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/eWWg23fxCqM> >>>>>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/PAKGAtwmPGI> >>>>>>> Validation of Lindernia >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/umPk1Q5X8-8> >>>>>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/anOKvYwqBec> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader >>>>>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea >>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we >>>>>>> are following now). >>>>>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from >>>>>>> Western Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea >>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* >>>>>>>> Torenia lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia >>>>>>>> godefroyi* confied to Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia >>>>>>>> lindernioides *confined to the Western Ghats. >>>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of >>>>>>>>> 'Re-establishment of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi >>>>>>>>> (Linderniaceae), and notes on the identity of T. lindernioides >>>>>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312558634_Re-establishment_of_the_overlooked_species_Torenia_godefroyi_Linderniaceae_and_notes_on_the_identity_of_T_lindernioides>' >>>>>>>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net) >>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29 >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: >>>>>>>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06 >>>>>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia >>>>>>>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a >>>>>>>>> look at the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia >>>>>>>>> crustacea* (Syn: *Lindernia crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx. >>>>>>>>> According to the paper: >>>>>>>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which >>>>>>>>> completely encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, >>>>>>>>> lelliptic >>>>>>>>> in outline and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has >>>>>>>>> sepals that are, at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never >>>>>>>>> invest >>>>>>>>> the capsule completely." >>>>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight >>>>>>>>>> dog flower family >>>>>>>>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: >>>>>>>>>> Linderniaceae Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae >>>>>>>>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)] >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224907860%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc7DxIHJEZQx1njUX_pZEE1_tb5uA> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)] >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224061657%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdyHN9liuka8KQKrl3l8qM__GKBrg> >>>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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