I see that the most-used messages are translated and the activity looks ok
since 2017-10 <
https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/nys&wiki=incubatorwiki>
(except this started month).
2018-02-07 8:08 GMT+01:00 Gnangarra <gnanga...@wikimedia.org.au>:
> Where are we this, its 12 months since I was first contacted by committee
> members and told that this is ready to go I'll help get it through. In
> Berlin I spoke with the committee they were happy with the project and
> requested the translations the key terms to be done. We have been
> translating focusing on translating article content. we have exceeded the
> activity criteria.
>
> Delaying getting to nys.wikipedia is holding back WMAU ability to further
> engage with over 300 Indigenous language as they are all watching and
> waiting to see what happens with one of the strongest continuous
> languages.
>
>
>
> On 27 December 2017 at 19:43, Jon Harald Søby <jhs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have an English namespace for it, I imagine you can do something
>> like this in the main namespace:
>>
>> *Unfortunately, we don't have an article about this in Noongar yet, but
>> there is an English article available below. Please help translate it into
>> Noongar.*
>>
>> {{:Background:Article subject}}
>>
>> *[[Category:Noongar p**eople]]*
>>
>> *[[Category:1940 births]]*
>>
>> *[[Category:2015 deaths]]*
>>
>> Stuff in italics should be in Noongar, not English. The English-language
>> article *in Noongar Wikipedia* is transcluded (preferrably via a
>> template that puts a border around it to make it visually obvious that this
>> content is separate, and with some links for editing, etc). This way you
>> can have the content there in the main namespace, and there is something
>> there for people to translate, and the article can be connected to Wikidata
>> with ordinary interwiki links.
>>
>> 2017-12-27 9:03 GMT+01:00 Gnangarra <gnanga...@wikimedia.org.au>:
>>
>>> I have started on the translations of articles(bibol) into noongar and
>>> started weeding out those which offer no content. Obviously as I go
>>> through the use of noongar increases I'll be cleaning up grammatical
>>> issues. Creating a namespace for english language articles is possible
>>> but please be mindful that Noongar speakers are bilingual and that where an
>>> english equivalent doesnt exist english is used.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 December 2017 at 20:22, Jon Harald Søby <jhs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about, once there is enough content *in* Nyungar, it is created
>>>> like a normal Wikipedia, but with a separate namespace for the stuff that
>>>> is currently in English?
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-20 13:19 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> Including abridged has two issues.. It is English and it is not a
>>>>> Wikipedia. So there must be another name for the project. The notion of
>>>>> removing the abridged is not applicable. When there is sufficient traction
>>>>> to have a Wikipedia in the specific language, it will be a Wikipedia and
>>>>> it
>>>>> will be the specific language only.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take this to James exactly because we need a solution that scales
>>>>> and is NOT language depended.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 December 2017 at 12:22, Gnangarra <gnanga...@wikimedia.org.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kaya
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *disclaimer: *In saying the below I believe nys.wikipedia.org is
>>>>>> ready, and very capable to stand alone, but I am also thinking about
>>>>>> options based on Gerards suggestions and the potential for additional
>>>>>> knowledge growth for communities beyond the Noongar language;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what if it was nys.abridged.wikipedia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *At this Wikipedia we work to write an encyclopaedia in Noongar
>>>>>> language. We use Noongar language where ever possible and english when
>>>>>> necessary. This Wikipedia reflects the challenges of working with
>>>>>> primarily
>>>>>> an oral language and the importance of sharing the cultural knowledge of
>>>>>> the Noongar people. The broader less noongar specific knowledge topics
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> best written about on en.wikipedia.org <http://en.wikipedia.org>.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would create a model for other language communities to follow
>>>>>> from the incubator, yet they would still be a "Wikipedia" which itself is
>>>>>> an important aspect. We could create a path way that over time could
>>>>>> enable progression and drop the '' .abridged '' if the community wished
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> do so in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 December 2017 at 18:07, Gerard Meijssen <
>>>>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>> We have a situation where it makes sense to provide a platform for
>>>>>>> the Noongar language and culture. As you will read in the thread,
>>>>>>> Wikipedia is not the platform for this because of the hostility against
>>>>>>> subjects that lack "sources". The Noongar language is largely oral so
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> of the content will be in English..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the question for you and the Wikimedia board is: can we provide
>>>>>>> room for them probably under a different platform name?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 December 2017 at 10:26, Gnangarra <gnanga...@wikimedia.org.au>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kaya
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did raise my concerns about the use of english when in Berlin and
>>>>>>>> was told that it was ok, I'll focus on getting more of it translated
>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>> I hope this doesnt hold the project.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of our key issues is that Noongar is an oral language and
>>>>>>>> written form is the result of european records, those records have
>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>> a situation where the written language is different dependent on the
>>>>>>>> language the person spoke. We people like Salvado a Spanish
>>>>>>>> Benedictine
>>>>>>>> monk who's spelling used a mixture of spanish and latin depending on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> sounds. Then there are various English, Welsh and Celtic settlers
>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>> with dutch, french, and german explorers all of whom recorded it in
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> own orthographies... One top of the region in which the language was
>>>>>>>> spoken is larger than UK and like the UK areas had their own unique
>>>>>>>> dialects despite speaking the same language. The beauty of this that
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> words can have more than 25 different spellings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Noongar community came together in the early 1990's to
>>>>>>>> establish a more consistent use of spellings to enable the language to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> taught in schools, currently there are about 50 schools across the WA
>>>>>>>> teaching Noongar. The simple act of translating the 762 most
>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>> messages has been a complex task of consultations with many groups,
>>>>>>>> spread
>>>>>>>> across the regions. When it came to writing content we encouraged two
>>>>>>>> things one was localised spelling as we do for english and recording
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> knowledge(Katitjin). Knowing all of this background and having
>>>>>>>> experienced many a waagnkininy about language over the last 4 years (
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> early work was hosted by WMAU) the decision was taken for
>>>>>>>> inclusiveness
>>>>>>>> to allow english while the community is being built as we dont want to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> seen a preferencing any specific one of the 15-20 different regional
>>>>>>>> groups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because of the survival of Noongar and continual use as a language
>>>>>>>> despite laws, aided by it's adoption in to South West Australian
>>>>>>>> english
>>>>>>>> its probably one of the most complex living languages Wikimedia
>>>>>>>> Movement
>>>>>>>> will ever see.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The value and future benefits to the movement of allowing the move
>>>>>>>> now far exceeds the cost in using a few words of english in its initial
>>>>>>>> phase. As always members are welcome to come to WA to experience
>>>>>>>> firsthand a living language and culture that has been in continual use
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> 50,000+ years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boodar
>>>>>>>> Gnangarra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18 December 2017 at 21:43, Jon Harald Søby <jhs...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Gnangarra,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm quite confused, because practically all the samples I looked
>>>>>>>>> at from https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nys are
>>>>>>>>> articles *in English*, not in Nyungar. A new language edition of
>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia needs to be *in that language*, not content in another
>>>>>>>>> language (in this case English) *about* that language and its
>>>>>>>>> culture, etc. The content as it presently stands should either be
>>>>>>>>> incorporated into the English Wikipedia (although with their stringent
>>>>>>>>> notability criteria I'm afraid a lot, if not most it, would be
>>>>>>>>> deleted) or
>>>>>>>>> into a separate wiki.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there something I'm missing?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-16 4:05 GMT+01:00 Gnangarra <gnanga...@wikimedia.org.au>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kaya Folks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have completed all the tasks asked of us in berlin and
>>>>>>>>>> continue to expand the translations and the article content. As I
>>>>>>>>>> see it
>>>>>>>>>> we are ready to go,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/W
>>>>>>>>>> ikipedia_Nyungar
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Gideon Digby
>>>>>>>>>> Vice President - Wikimedia Australia
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>>>>>>>>>> gnanga...@wikimedia.org.au
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> mvh
>>>>>>>>> Jon Harald Søby
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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