Innit doe? I was trying to get to Enfield that night, I gave up in the end as 
it was more dangerous that night than the night in Tottenham high road. A good 
few hundred of those involved at Enfield had travelled up from S Tottenham 
earlier in the day with the sole intention of looting. A lot of those involved 
in the looting are gangs, with the rest just opportunist scrotes.

On 10 Aug 2011, at 08:28, Leeds List wrote:

> Damien
> I live and work in Enfield and the "riots" took place about half a mile from 
> my front door. With regard to making things better for everyone our local 
> council spends more than two thirds of it's budget on one part of the 
> borough, there is massive investment by us , the mayor of London, central 
> government, the EU and anyone else you care to mention. 
> Despite that we still have a huge number of feral youth and ineffective 
> parents who happily sit on every benefit under the sun, demand "Respect" and 
> their "uman rights" at every turn and blame everything on everyone else
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 10 Aug 2011, at 01:26, Damian Walsh <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Lots of responses to lots of points - its much easier down the pub ;)
>> 
>> First of all, Steve - I hope your wife is OK and its nothing serious.
>> 
>> Then the Met and the mayor: no leadership, who is handling these "riots"
>> (looting without the rioting as far as we see from afar), Superindentants?
>> Divisional comanders? No wonder there's copy cats springing uo all over the
>> place. Who is in charge? And I hope it's not someone who has accepted bribes
>> ("apparently substantiated") from any media group who quite frankly have a
>> vested interest in selling papers during August.
>> 
>> As for personal responsibility. Yes. But it works both ways. You have to
>> realise that someone may well be better off looting a Dixons than not
>> looting a Dixons. Where is that person's responsibility? Treat him as a
>> scumbag and he'll always riot given the opportunity, bring him into the
>> system and he won't.
>> 
>> Thatcher's ultimate response to Brixton & Toxteth & BW Farm was to rein in
>> the police (repeal of "Sus", racial profiling of Police action etc) and to
>> throw money at those disaffected communities. It worked. The rolling back of
>> those efforts under Blair & Brown (especially including many more police
>> powers) has exposed the limits. The lack of current leadership has made the
>> problem worse.
>> 
>> What do you do? Try and make things better for everyone? Or not?
>> 
>> Damian
>> 
>> PS Mark - respect appreciated and returned whole heartedly - shame we're not
>> down the pub ;)
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