On 3 Dec, 22:30, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > The hits just keep on coming... > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/the-other-face-of-pakista_b_... > > <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/the-other-face-of-pakista_b_...>As > much as I despise Christianity, show me where this is happening in the > Western world: > > "I return that evening to Islamabad and am joined by a group of very > powerful women. We talk for hours. I meet Samar Minallah -- an activist > lawyer. She focuses primarily on highlighting problems of women in the > Northwest Province of Pakistan. She has been fighting a practice called > "retribution" where girls are traded to resolve conflict between men. > Recently she was involved in a case where a man killed another man's dog and > instead of a fight ensuing, the man who killed the dog gave the aggrieved > man 15 girls between the ages of six months to seven years old. These girls > then became the aggrieved man's possessions, to be raped, enslaved, treated > in any way the man desired. Fifteen girls for one dead dog. This is a common > practice. A practice Samar has been fighting against. In the case of the > dog, she called the father of the girls and asked if it was true. She > recorded the conversation. The father proudly announced that he had traded > his daughters." > > "The girl had come from a far off village in Swat. She had refused a > marriage proposal from a good for nothing Taliban boy. The boy then claimed > the girl had an illicit relationship with her father-in-law. The woman was > flogged publicly. Many photographed and videoed the flogging on their mobile > phones and sent it around." > > "Religious extremism is a kind of plague. It seizes the mind, body and soul. > It creates a kind of slow terror that invades cell by cell and feeds off the > preexisting patriarchal traditions and conditioning in women. Then, there > are the various practices that enforce that conditioning: acid burning, > retribution, honor killing, flogging, burying women alive, etc. Some of > these stories get out to the West from time to time; but, what rarely gets > out are the stories of women who are resisting this violence and fighting > with their lives for human rights." >
"Religious Extremism" IS the enemy, not Islam or any particular faith. Do away with the fundamentalists of every faith, and we'd ALL be better off. > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Chris Jenkins > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > One more point regarding the "Moral High Ground": > > > Mohammed married Aisha when she was six years old, and consummated that > > marriage when she was nine years old. > > > Now, tell me again about the moral high ground part, while I meditate on > > the example of pedophilia Mohammed set. > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> On 2 Dec, 16:57, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Muslims will be conquered by the Chinese, perhaps. The only other > >> > solution is to level their countries like we did Germany and Japan- > >> > who, at least, were industrialized. The only thing Islam has going for > >> > it are oil deposits in various countries. But we have water. > > >> "The only thing Islam has going for it are oil deposits in various > >> countries." > > >> I take it, from that, that you have never read the Qur'an. The > >> main gist of it (Islam/the Qur'an) is that mankind should not oppress > >> one another and that we should care for the orphans and elderly and > >> the poor and treat all individuals with respect. Much of the > >> remainder is outlining examples of previous peoples who did NOT act > >> that way and reminding the reader of how those peoples were > >> destroyed. Also, there's a fair amount of instructions on how to > >> maintain women's rights to inheritance and their right to be heard-- > >> things that, in the West, women didn't get until the latter part of > >> the 19th Century/early 20th century. I.e., the Qur'an was, with > >> respect to women's rights, some 1300 years ahead of its time. > >> The problems come in when Western society demands its right to be > >> intoxicated and irascible to the point of outright destructive > >> behaviour afterwards and the duty to oppress one another through usury > >> and other ways (in the name of 'Survival of the Fittest', a euphemism > >> for maintaining that animal instincts are the way forward!!) and > >> Muslims don't understand why Western, supposedly civilised people, > >> demand the right to act like idiots, screw up the environment and take > >> as much as is possible from those who have the least. Muslims don't > >> view that as civilised behaviour. > >> With respect to the oil, it won't always be there, as the West is > >> using it up and fouling the Earth with its waste products. After the > >> oil is gone, what Islam will be left with is what they have had for > >> 1400+ years...the moral high ground. > > >> > On Dec 2, 10:45 am, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > In a referendum last Sunday, 57.5% of the Swiss voted to ban minarets. > > >> > > As right-wing populists cheered and liberal multi-culturalists were > >> > > shocked, the Swiss decision reflects a deep problem for western > >> > > democracies, particularly in Europe. How do you integrate a religious > >> > > culture into a pluralist society, which has mutual tolerance as one of > >> > > its basic principles, when significant groups in that culture reject > >> > > many principles of that society which is trying to integrate them? Is > >> > > this a signal that the meeting between western societies and Islam > >> > > leads to irreconcilable differences? Or is the Swiss vote basically, > >> > > or partly, an expression of deep-seated racism and subjective views of > >> > > cultural superiority? > > >> > > Some background: > > >> > >http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,664231,00.html > > >> > > Francis- Hide quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> ""Minds Eye"" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > >> . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
