“…Do away with the fundamentalists of every faith, and we'd ALL be better off.” – Pat
Aye, and therein is the rub, no? There are methods and there are methods. It is easy to espouse said elimination, however, the options of methodology to said end are few. Do you have any suggestion?...other than having everyone on earth read your book when it comes out? ;-) On Dec 4, 5:51 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 3 Dec, 22:30, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The hits just keep on coming... > > >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/the-other-face-of-pakista_b_... > > > <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/the-other-face-of-pakista_b_...>As > > much as I despise Christianity, show me where this is happening in the > > Western world: > > > "I return that evening to Islamabad and am joined by a group of very > > powerful women. We talk for hours. I meet Samar Minallah -- an activist > > lawyer. She focuses primarily on highlighting problems of women in the > > Northwest Province of Pakistan. She has been fighting a practice called > > "retribution" where girls are traded to resolve conflict between men. > > Recently she was involved in a case where a man killed another man's dog and > > instead of a fight ensuing, the man who killed the dog gave the aggrieved > > man 15 girls between the ages of six months to seven years old. These girls > > then became the aggrieved man's possessions, to be raped, enslaved, treated > > in any way the man desired. Fifteen girls for one dead dog. This is a common > > practice. A practice Samar has been fighting against. In the case of the > > dog, she called the father of the girls and asked if it was true. She > > recorded the conversation. The father proudly announced that he had traded > > his daughters." > > > "The girl had come from a far off village in Swat. She had refused a > > marriage proposal from a good for nothing Taliban boy. The boy then claimed > > the girl had an illicit relationship with her father-in-law. The woman was > > flogged publicly. Many photographed and videoed the flogging on their mobile > > phones and sent it around." > > > "Religious extremism is a kind of plague. It seizes the mind, body and soul. > > It creates a kind of slow terror that invades cell by cell and feeds off the > > preexisting patriarchal traditions and conditioning in women. Then, there > > are the various practices that enforce that conditioning: acid burning, > > retribution, honor killing, flogging, burying women alive, etc. Some of > > these stories get out to the West from time to time; but, what rarely gets > > out are the stories of women who are resisting this violence and fighting > > with their lives for human rights." > > "Religious Extremism" IS the enemy, not Islam or any particular > faith. Do away with the fundamentalists of every faith, and we'd ALL > be better off. > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Chris Jenkins > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > One more point regarding the "Moral High Ground": > > > > Mohammed married Aisha when she was six years old, and consummated that > > > marriage when she was nine years old. > > > > Now, tell me again about the moral high ground part, while I meditate on > > > the example of pedophilia Mohammed set. > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> On 2 Dec, 16:57, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Muslims will be conquered by the Chinese, perhaps. The only other > > >> > solution is to level their countries like we did Germany and Japan- > > >> > who, at least, were industrialized. The only thing Islam has going for > > >> > it are oil deposits in various countries. But we have water. > > > >> "The only thing Islam has going for it are oil deposits in various > > >> countries." > > > >> I take it, from that, that you have never read the Qur'an. The > > >> main gist of it (Islam/the Qur'an) is that mankind should not oppress > > >> one another and that we should care for the orphans and elderly and > > >> the poor and treat all individuals with respect. Much of the > > >> remainder is outlining examples of previous peoples who did NOT act > > >> that way and reminding the reader of how those peoples were > > >> destroyed. Also, there's a fair amount of instructions on how to > > >> maintain women's rights to inheritance and their right to be heard-- > > >> things that, in the West, women didn't get until the latter part of > > >> the 19th Century/early 20th century. I.e., the Qur'an was, with > > >> respect to women's rights, some 1300 years ahead of its time. > > >> The problems come in when Western society demands its right to be > > >> intoxicated and irascible to the point of outright destructive > > >> behaviour afterwards and the duty to oppress one another through usury > > >> and other ways (in the name of 'Survival of the Fittest', a euphemism > > >> for maintaining that animal instincts are the way forward!!) and > > >> Muslims don't understand why Western, supposedly civilised people, > > >> demand the right to act like idiots, screw up the environment and take > > >> as much as is possible from those who have the least. Muslims don't > > >> view that as civilised behaviour. > > >> With respect to the oil, it won't always be there, as the West is > > >> using it up and fouling the Earth with its waste products. After the > > >> oil is gone, what Islam will be left with is what they have had for > > >> 1400+ years...the moral high ground. > > > >> > On Dec 2, 10:45 am, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > In a referendum last Sunday, 57.5% of the Swiss voted to ban > > >> > > minarets. > > > >> > > As right-wing populists cheered and liberal multi-culturalists were > > >> > > shocked, the Swiss decision reflects a deep problem for western > > >> > > democracies, particularly in Europe. How do you integrate a religious > > >> > > culture into a pluralist society, which has mutual tolerance as one > > >> > > of > > >> > > its basic principles, when significant groups in that culture reject > > >> > > many principles of that society which is trying to integrate them? Is > > >> > > this a signal that the meeting between western societies and Islam > > >> > > leads to irreconcilable differences? Or is the Swiss vote basically, > > >> > > or partly, an expression of deep-seated racism and subjective views > > >> > > of > > >> > > cultural superiority? > > > >> > > Some background: > > > >> > >http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,664231,00.html > > > >> > > Francis- Hide quoted text - > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > >> -- > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > >> ""Minds Eye"" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > >> . > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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