It is an interesting experience to read the undrugged Molly, Ash! You might want to try also. Na, just trying to make it look positive. ;-)
But honestly, I thought you were going to say something like: we are all drug addicts in one way or another, my I-definition depends on on the following ... On 4 Okt., 02:03, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > If you think it necessary Allan I will accept this decision, however I > need not remind that we are all adults (assuming here) and most have > some experience or knowledge of drug use as ceremonial, recreational or > medicinal. > > Molly, the only two drugs I've had a hard time with are nicotine and > caffeine. Thankfully I had the knowledge not to get swallowed up by hard > drugs in any of my harder times, but have had times that I thought > wrongly that escaping myself was better than facing my problems. When I > hear about crack, pcp, meth, herion or 'ice' dozens of lives and people > come to mind, and many roads leading down that path, it is like fast > forwarding through volumes in parallel with so much pain. I'll cut that > short and leave it impersonal preempting digression. I hear a lot of > fear mongering about drug use, which I agree it is important to provide > warnings of potentially dire consequences however I think it is > important to provide some bolstering of people's awareness and > understanding of how the entry down those paths are the self. I would > like to hear your thoughts on this because I am considering what to tell > my son when the time comes. > > On 10/3/2010 4:20 PM, iam deheretic wrote: > > > Most I will answer privately Molly, > > > but even causal use of drugs effect thinking. > > Allan > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Molly <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > I do understand, Allan. I worked in the field of Prevention for ten > > years. I see drug addiction as a completely different issue, as > > substances are used by shaman and holy men throughout the ages. I > > completely agree that they are not necessary for the journey, and as I > > understand it, are used by the Shaman to "journey with" the > > uninitiated and allow their healing, getting them to the state that is > > otherwise unaccessible to them without years of study. > > > Many people who dabble in psychedelics never become drug addicts. On > > the other hand, most soft drugs are considered gateway drugs to drug > > addiction. I look at the state of medicine now in the US and see that > > mind altering drugs like anxiety relieving or anti depressants are > > used by a large majority of the population. It is not difficult to > > get prescriptions for muscle relaxers, sleeping pills, diet pills or > > narcotics for chronic pain either. Those prone to addiction will find > > their substances one way or another. > > > I too saw several lives ruined with the prolific use of psychedelics. > > Unfortunate indeed. Timothy Leary's use and distribution of it is > > difficult not to judge, I leave the judgement to history. Aldous > > Huxley is a success story coming out to the group. John Lily (Mind of > > the Dolphin) probably the best example of the pitfalls of addiction. > > I try to recognize the merits of these folks individually, and the > > revolutionary movement of self examination that they lead in the US as > > a part of the greater evolution of the species. > > > On Oct 3, 2:04 am, iam deheretic <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > I want to thank you Molly for making me mad or at least mad > > enough to look > > > up a spelling. > > > > years ago I hear a 12 year old boy tell me about his latest acid > > trip and it > > > pissed me off I knew who sold it to him and it pissed me off as > > he was > > > destroying the mind of a child. it went from there.. > > > > What the realization came to me the realization that making > > these addicts > > > Icons if that is the right word really created a drug culture. > > because > > > before that if you smoked dope you were known as a > > mugglehead.this drug > > > culture of all drugs including cocaine went rampant and one > > heard on the > > > news one thing or another about the problem and thinking back a > > lot of it > > > focused around wall street as well as the nations capital. It is > > about this > > > time the extreme greed stared to show its ugly head . > > > > Looking at what is going on to day we literally and foolishly > > turned our > > > economic well being over to drug addicts and there desire for > > the nest fix. > > > > I am sorry true enlightenment does not come in a pill, all > > though thou may > > > cross the time / space barrier and come back with an idea then > > write a book > > > does not make one enlightened. Enlightenment is a long hard > > grind that > > > allows for tempering of concepts for social good and there is a > > certain > > > wisdom that come from the process. > > > > I know you have read Carlos Castaneda's books the first book I > > see a student > > > from Berkeley going to Mexico to get his drugs hiding it as > > research for a > > > university paper.(not a nice way of putting it but true) by the > > third book > > > he found out that you do not need the drug and the series show > > the long hard > > > struggle. He was very lucky in who he meet and took him under > > his wing. > > > > Molly I can not see glorifying drug addicts. > > > Allan > > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 6:31 PM, iam deheretic > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > My experience with people that have been on LSD is not a good > > one, to me > > > > they are just another junkie , I know one thing if I had to > > see him as a > > > > psychologist I would run as fast and as far as I could in the > > other > > > > direction. > > > > > Those lsd junkies have I have no respect for in looking up > > some of the past > > > > back ground (actually a spelling check) I suddenly found out > > why I knew so > > > > many of them, and it was not from my work. None of the one I > > knew were not > > > > really worth knowing. > > > > So I am dropping it from there I do not like talking about friends > > > > Allan > > > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Molly <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > >> If only all mommies and daddies could teach their children to > > be here > > > >> now. I do agree, it is a simple concept, so important, and a > > thread > > > >> of truth that runs through the world as a common state > > available to > > > >> all, not accessed by those trapped in ego, memory or speculation. > > > >> that Ram Das studied this concept in India doesn't preclude > > any one > > > >> else from learning it from a different tradition. His > > exploration in > > > >> LSD may have prepared him, as did PhD in psychology, in different > > > >> ways. Why some people are able to articulate the vision and > > others > > > >> follow it is, indeed, part of the mystery, > > > > >> On Oct 2, 3:13 am, iam deheretic <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > I understand it is the title of a book the point is that > > living in > > > >> the > > > >> > hear and now is not a eastern concept but rather a world > > wide one.. > > > >> > As for it being popular ,, well that simply show that many > > people don't > > > >> > listen to their mommies and daddies but would rather listen > > to someone > > > >> else. > > > >> > Allan > > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Molly <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > > Be Here Nowt was the title of his book, that was popular > > in the 70s > > > >> > > and sales are still strong. That's the credit I am > > giving him, along > > > >> > > with an ability to point the way to a great number of > > folks in his > > > >> > > life time. > > > > >> > > On Sep 30, 1:41 am, iam deheretic <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > > > Be here now Molly I have know of that since I was a > > child and there > > > >> was > > > >> > > no > > > >> > > > RamDas and as far as I can tell it has been around for > > generation. I > > > >> > > think > > > >> > > > it is wrong to credit someone for creating a concept > > that has been > > > >> around > > > >> > > > for generations. > > > >> > > > Allan > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Molly > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > "Be Here Now" was the bible for youth uprising that > > offered the > > > >> civil > > > >> > > > > rights demonstrations and Vietnam war protests in the > > US in the > > > >> late > > > >> > > > > 60s and early 70s. RamDas taught with Timothy Leary > > at Harvard in > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > Psychology dept, they shared an office, and both left > > when Leary > > > >> was > > > >> > > > > dismissed - moving to the Leary family home in > > California that > > > >> became > > > >> > > > > infamous for his experiments in LSD. After having > > enough of that, > > > >> > > > > RamDas left for India and found his guru, returned to > > his family > > > >> home > > > >> > > > > on the east coast afterward, and wrote "Be Here Now," > > gaining a > > > >> large > > > >> > > > > following for his Westernized, Eastern ideas. > > > > >> > > > > On Sep 29, 7:39 pm, Ash <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > On 9/29/2010 8:52 AM, Molly wrote:> You do what > > you do because > > > >> that > > > >> > > s > > > >> > > > > what the harmony of the universe > > > >> > > > > > > requires, > > > > >> > > > > > That is something I've been able to accept but not > > willing to be > > > >> > > > > > comfortable with.> RamDas, "Be Here Now" > > > > >> > > > > > :) Now that sounds like a plea (kidding). While you > > are > > ... > > Erfahren Sie mehr »
