My experience with people that have been on LSD is not a good one, to me they are just another junkie , I know one thing if I had to see him as a psychologist I would run as fast and as far as I could in the other direction.
Those lsd junkies have I have no respect for in looking up some of the past back ground (actually a spelling check) I suddenly found out why I knew so many of them, and it was not from my work. None of the one I knew were not really worth knowing. So I am dropping it from there I do not like talking about friends Allan On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > If only all mommies and daddies could teach their children to be here > now. I do agree, it is a simple concept, so important, and a thread > of truth that runs through the world as a common state available to > all, not accessed by those trapped in ego, memory or speculation. > that Ram Das studied this concept in India doesn't preclude any one > else from learning it from a different tradition. His exploration in > LSD may have prepared him, as did PhD in psychology, in different > ways. Why some people are able to articulate the vision and others > follow it is, indeed, part of the mystery, > > On Oct 2, 3:13 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > I understand it is the title of a book the point is that living in the > > hear and now is not a eastern concept but rather a world wide one.. > > As for it being popular ,, well that simply show that many people don't > > listen to their mommies and daddies but would rather listen to someone > else. > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Be Here Nowt was the title of his book, that was popular in the 70s > > > and sales are still strong. That's the credit I am giving him, along > > > with an ability to point the way to a great number of folks in his > > > life time. > > > > > On Sep 30, 1:41 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Be here now Molly I have know of that since I was a child and there > was > > > no > > > > RamDas and as far as I can tell it has been around for generation. I > > > think > > > > it is wrong to credit someone for creating a concept that has been > around > > > > for generations. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "Be Here Now" was the bible for youth uprising that offered the > civil > > > > > rights demonstrations and Vietnam war protests in the US in the > late > > > > > 60s and early 70s. RamDas taught with Timothy Leary at Harvard in > the > > > > > Psychology dept, they shared an office, and both left when Leary > was > > > > > dismissed - moving to the Leary family home in California that > became > > > > > infamous for his experiments in LSD. After having enough of that, > > > > > RamDas left for India and found his guru, returned to his family > home > > > > > on the east coast afterward, and wrote "Be Here Now," gaining a > large > > > > > following for his Westernized, Eastern ideas. > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 7:39 pm, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 9/29/2010 8:52 AM, Molly wrote:> You do what you do because > that > > > s > > > > > what the harmony of the universe > > > > > > > requires, > > > > > > > > That is something I've been able to accept but not willing to be > > > > > > comfortable with.> RamDas, "Be Here Now" > > > > > > > > :) Now that sounds like a plea (kidding). While you are not, here > is > > > a > > > > > > hard place to find, someplace between yesterday and tomorrow. At > the > > > > > > moment thinking 'where' is informed by the past as a formative > > > > > > world-perspective and 'what' comes from tomorrow, potentials > pushing > > > > > > toward emergence. I am in awe at the mystery, William Blake > echoing > > > > > > around the mental aether, and metaphysics of mind. To think I am > > > great > > > > > > and small, like everything else is inducing a very stable > waveform. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 2:13 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> Every time I try to respond to this it seems I am a > different > > > > > person > > > > > > >> and can't make any sense. Things are changing rapidly now, and > I > > > > > > >> switched from recreational research in evenings to work > related > > > > > research > > > > > > >> to make pace with recovery and development efforts. The > greatest > > > > > changes > > > > > > >> are my history, it is strange but it seems like once or twice > a > > > week > > > > > now > > > > > > >> my perception changes dramatically regarding who and where I > have > > > > > been. > > > > > > >> A shock came last week when I made an intentional experiment, > and > > > saw > > > > > > >> myself as a 50 year old man which was not too shocking except > that > > > I > > > > > > >> became him in an instant and saw the progression of life until > > > now. > > > > > What > > > > > > >> I saw was a child (myself), and being free from him was beyond > > > > > > >> comprehension, many things I've known and not understood. This > is > > > > > > >> something I have no idea how to convey, it seems so alien and > > > beyond > > > > > > >> ontogenesis. This probably belongs in psk's thread but what to > > > write > > > > > > >> here has been on my mind frequently. I've been riding the wave > if > > > you > > > > > > >> will and it is bringing good things to me, but facing many > > > challenges > > > > > > >> I've been stuck with for a long time. How does one turn their > back > > > on > > > > > > >> onesself? It is like leaving a most intimate friend. > > > > > > > > >> Best Regards, > > > > > > >> Me? > > > > > > > > >> On 9/12/2010 11:26 PM, gruff wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> "... On Sep 12, 12:57 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > ... > > > " > > > > > > >>>> In some situations I have a tend toward hypervigilance > > > > > > >>> Hypervigilance can be useful as long as it doesn't wind up in > > > > > > >>> paranoia, but given bouts of depression and anxiety, it > probably > > > > > > >>> does. Trigger points for what? To break out of the fugue or > to > > > do > > > > > > >>> something else? > > > > > > >>> I doubt many are ready for parenthood when it befalls them. > Even > > > > > > >>> though I was convinced that my line had to end with me > because of > > > the > > > > > > >>> socio-psychological defects, I failed to get a vasectomy > until I > > > was > > > > > > >>> in my early 40s and have never used a condom. I think there > were > > > > > some > > > > > > >>> testosterone issues involved. I also had some sense that I > was > > > too > > > > > > >>> selfish to be a parent. I didn't want something around my > neck > > > that > > > > > > >>> would demand responsibility and tenacity from me. I wanted > my > > > life > > > > > to > > > > > > >>> be my own. But the latter never fully dawned on me till I > had a > > > > > > >>> squalling, smelly bundle of baby in the house. I took an > easy > > > out. > > > > > > >>> Both mother and daughter left me when my kid was six months > old > > > and I > > > > > > >>> never went after them. I've don't se anything appealing > about > > > baby > > > > > > >>> humans. Now puppies and other animals are a different > ballgame. > > > > > > >>> But that's me. It sounds like you had a lot of serious > > > misgivings > > > > > and > > > > > > >>> confidence issues but you stepped up and did what you had to > do > > > in > > > > > > >>> spite of -- or maybe because of -- the darkness to which you > > > > > > >>> descended. It sounds like your realization of the > > > responsibilities > > > > > > >>> involved overwhelmed you but again you did what you had to > do. > > > > > > >>> You had a drinking problem for a short time but when you > realized > > > it > > > > > > >>> was causing you to fail your responsibilities as a father you > put > > > it > > > > > > >>> down. That's quite an accomplishment. > > > > > > >>> I don't think having been through a dark period necessarily > > > requires > > > > > > >>> going back, especially if it causes that much pain. Now if I > > > felt > > > > > you > > > > > > >>> were in denial, then I might recommend revisiting the fear > till > > > you > > > > > > >>> faced up to it, but you don't sound in denial. If anything > it > > > sounds > > > > > > >>> like you might be taking too much of the responsibility and > > > blame. > > > > > > >>> In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps you are caught up > in > > > > > > >>> guilt. Especially if your background is Jewish or Catholic. > > > Both > > > > > are > > > > > > >>> big dealers in guilt as a means of punishment and motivation. > > > Guilt > > > > > > >>> can do strange things to a normal human mind, cause much > self- > > > > > > >>> destruction and self-inflicted pain. > > > > > > >>> Passive personality also fits in with guilt. Typical Woody > Allen > > > > > > >>> complex. Have you ever seen any of his films? Does he make > you > > > > > > >>> uncomfortable? If so, look deeper here. > > > > > > >>> Do you ever feel as though a breakthrough or enlightenment is > > > just > > > > > > >>> around the corner, up the next block, across the street, in > the > > > next > > > > > > >>> person you meet ... but you never seem to get there or find > them. > > > > > > >>> Just some random thoughts here. I felt like that quite often > in > > > my > > > > > > >>> teens, twenties and thirties. I didn't begin to come into my > own > > > > > > >>> until my forties. Then I started spreading the news: Life > does > > > begin > > > > > > >>> at forty. Actually it begin whenever a person is ready for > it to > > > > > > >>> begin. For some, life (i.e., being relatively confident in > > > yourself > > > > > > >>> in most all situations) beings young. Me, I was a late > bloomer. > > > But > > > > > > >>> in some in never begins. Sounds like you're pretty close. > You > > > can't > > > > > > >>> go through the sort of mental examination and rigorous > > > questioning > > > > > you > > > > > > >>> are doing without learning some very real things about > yourself. > > > > > > >>> As for the tale of using a recording device to refresh the > old > > > > > woman's > > > > > > >>> memory before her son visited, that was the only time I've > had a > > > > > > >>> chance to actually see the results. But it makes sense, at > least > > > > > > >>> enough to give it a try. > > > > > > >>> Your actual memory problems are beyond my knowledge and > > > capabilities > > > > > > >>> but it sounds like there might be some self-destructiveness > > > involved > > > > > > >>> in the mix. Some of the things we can do to ourselves, and > > > > > > >>> unknowingly as well, are shocking. > > > > > > >>> Have you tried any form of therapy? I'm not talking a > > > psychiatrist. > > > > > > >>> For the most part all they want to do is give you chemicals. > I'm > > > > > > >>> talking about psychology. I received far more actual help > from a > > > > > > >>> psychologist than I ever did from the two shrinks I saw. > > > > > > >>> But finding the right psychologist can be a job in itself. > It's > > > like > > > > > > >>> finding the right combination of medicines that works for > your > > > own > > > > > > >>> particular brand of high blood pressure. You have to be able > to > > > feel > > > > > > >>> comfortable with the person and to develop a strong trust in > > > them. > > > > > It > > > > > > >>> took me a while before I found one with whom I worked well. > I > > > > > learned > > > > > > >>> a lot in the year of weekly visits and have never felt the > need > > > for > > > > > > >>> one since. > > > > > > >>> Do you indulge in any sort of drug use? It doesn't sound > like > > > it, > > > > > > >>> from what you've told me about your experience with alcohol. > > > Have > > > > > > >>> you ever tried mild tranquilizers such as 5mg of Valium? > They > > > can > > > > > > >>> slow a person down sufficiently to more or less let you catch > up > > > to > > > > > > >>> yourself. I don't particularly like Valium because it blots > out > > > > > > >>> creativity but marijuana works just fine > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
