If only all mommies and daddies could teach their children to be here now. I do agree, it is a simple concept, so important, and a thread of truth that runs through the world as a common state available to all, not accessed by those trapped in ego, memory or speculation. that Ram Das studied this concept in India doesn't preclude any one else from learning it from a different tradition. His exploration in LSD may have prepared him, as did PhD in psychology, in different ways. Why some people are able to articulate the vision and others follow it is, indeed, part of the mystery,
On Oct 2, 3:13 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > I understand it is the title of a book the point is that living in the > hear and now is not a eastern concept but rather a world wide one.. > As for it being popular ,, well that simply show that many people don't > listen to their mommies and daddies but would rather listen to someone else. > Allan > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > Be Here Nowt was the title of his book, that was popular in the 70s > > and sales are still strong. That's the credit I am giving him, along > > with an ability to point the way to a great number of folks in his > > life time. > > > On Sep 30, 1:41 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Be here now Molly I have know of that since I was a child and there was > > no > > > RamDas and as far as I can tell it has been around for generation. I > > think > > > it is wrong to credit someone for creating a concept that has been around > > > for generations. > > > Allan > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "Be Here Now" was the bible for youth uprising that offered the civil > > > > rights demonstrations and Vietnam war protests in the US in the late > > > > 60s and early 70s. RamDas taught with Timothy Leary at Harvard in the > > > > Psychology dept, they shared an office, and both left when Leary was > > > > dismissed - moving to the Leary family home in California that became > > > > infamous for his experiments in LSD. After having enough of that, > > > > RamDas left for India and found his guru, returned to his family home > > > > on the east coast afterward, and wrote "Be Here Now," gaining a large > > > > following for his Westernized, Eastern ideas. > > > > > On Sep 29, 7:39 pm, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 9/29/2010 8:52 AM, Molly wrote:> You do what you do because that > > s > > > > what the harmony of the universe > > > > > > requires, > > > > > > That is something I've been able to accept but not willing to be > > > > > comfortable with.> RamDas, "Be Here Now" > > > > > > :) Now that sounds like a plea (kidding). While you are not, here is > > a > > > > > hard place to find, someplace between yesterday and tomorrow. At the > > > > > moment thinking 'where' is informed by the past as a formative > > > > > world-perspective and 'what' comes from tomorrow, potentials pushing > > > > > toward emergence. I am in awe at the mystery, William Blake echoing > > > > > around the mental aether, and metaphysics of mind. To think I am > > great > > > > > and small, like everything else is inducing a very stable waveform. > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 2:13 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Every time I try to respond to this it seems I am a different > > > > person > > > > > >> and can't make any sense. Things are changing rapidly now, and I > > > > > >> switched from recreational research in evenings to work related > > > > research > > > > > >> to make pace with recovery and development efforts. The greatest > > > > changes > > > > > >> are my history, it is strange but it seems like once or twice a > > week > > > > now > > > > > >> my perception changes dramatically regarding who and where I have > > > > been. > > > > > >> A shock came last week when I made an intentional experiment, and > > saw > > > > > >> myself as a 50 year old man which was not too shocking except that > > I > > > > > >> became him in an instant and saw the progression of life until > > now. > > > > What > > > > > >> I saw was a child (myself), and being free from him was beyond > > > > > >> comprehension, many things I've known and not understood. This is > > > > > >> something I have no idea how to convey, it seems so alien and > > beyond > > > > > >> ontogenesis. This probably belongs in psk's thread but what to > > write > > > > > >> here has been on my mind frequently. I've been riding the wave if > > you > > > > > >> will and it is bringing good things to me, but facing many > > challenges > > > > > >> I've been stuck with for a long time. How does one turn their back > > on > > > > > >> onesself? It is like leaving a most intimate friend. > > > > > > >> Best Regards, > > > > > >> Me? > > > > > > >> On 9/12/2010 11:26 PM, gruff wrote: > > > > > > >>> "... On Sep 12, 12:57 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: ... > > " > > > > > >>>> In some situations I have a tend toward hypervigilance > > > > > >>> Hypervigilance can be useful as long as it doesn't wind up in > > > > > >>> paranoia, but given bouts of depression and anxiety, it probably > > > > > >>> does. Trigger points for what? To break out of the fugue or to > > do > > > > > >>> something else? > > > > > >>> I doubt many are ready for parenthood when it befalls them. Even > > > > > >>> though I was convinced that my line had to end with me because of > > the > > > > > >>> socio-psychological defects, I failed to get a vasectomy until I > > was > > > > > >>> in my early 40s and have never used a condom. I think there were > > > > some > > > > > >>> testosterone issues involved. I also had some sense that I was > > too > > > > > >>> selfish to be a parent. I didn't want something around my neck > > that > > > > > >>> would demand responsibility and tenacity from me. I wanted my > > life > > > > to > > > > > >>> be my own. But the latter never fully dawned on me till I had a > > > > > >>> squalling, smelly bundle of baby in the house. I took an easy > > out. > > > > > >>> Both mother and daughter left me when my kid was six months old > > and I > > > > > >>> never went after them. I've don't se anything appealing about > > baby > > > > > >>> humans. Now puppies and other animals are a different ballgame. > > > > > >>> But that's me. It sounds like you had a lot of serious > > misgivings > > > > and > > > > > >>> confidence issues but you stepped up and did what you had to do > > in > > > > > >>> spite of -- or maybe because of -- the darkness to which you > > > > > >>> descended. It sounds like your realization of the > > responsibilities > > > > > >>> involved overwhelmed you but again you did what you had to do. > > > > > >>> You had a drinking problem for a short time but when you realized > > it > > > > > >>> was causing you to fail your responsibilities as a father you put > > it > > > > > >>> down. That's quite an accomplishment. > > > > > >>> I don't think having been through a dark period necessarily > > requires > > > > > >>> going back, especially if it causes that much pain. Now if I > > felt > > > > you > > > > > >>> were in denial, then I might recommend revisiting the fear till > > you > > > > > >>> faced up to it, but you don't sound in denial. If anything it > > sounds > > > > > >>> like you might be taking too much of the responsibility and > > blame. > > > > > >>> In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps you are caught up in > > > > > >>> guilt. Especially if your background is Jewish or Catholic. > > Both > > > > are > > > > > >>> big dealers in guilt as a means of punishment and motivation. > > Guilt > > > > > >>> can do strange things to a normal human mind, cause much self- > > > > > >>> destruction and self-inflicted pain. > > > > > >>> Passive personality also fits in with guilt. Typical Woody Allen > > > > > >>> complex. Have you ever seen any of his films? Does he make you > > > > > >>> uncomfortable? If so, look deeper here. > > > > > >>> Do you ever feel as though a breakthrough or enlightenment is > > just > > > > > >>> around the corner, up the next block, across the street, in the > > next > > > > > >>> person you meet ... but you never seem to get there or find them. > > > > > >>> Just some random thoughts here. I felt like that quite often in > > my > > > > > >>> teens, twenties and thirties. I didn't begin to come into my own > > > > > >>> until my forties. Then I started spreading the news: Life does > > begin > > > > > >>> at forty. Actually it begin whenever a person is ready for it to > > > > > >>> begin. For some, life (i.e., being relatively confident in > > yourself > > > > > >>> in most all situations) beings young. Me, I was a late bloomer. > > But > > > > > >>> in some in never begins. Sounds like you're pretty close. You > > can't > > > > > >>> go through the sort of mental examination and rigorous > > questioning > > > > you > > > > > >>> are doing without learning some very real things about yourself. > > > > > >>> As for the tale of using a recording device to refresh the old > > > > woman's > > > > > >>> memory before her son visited, that was the only time I've had a > > > > > >>> chance to actually see the results. But it makes sense, at least > > > > > >>> enough to give it a try. > > > > > >>> Your actual memory problems are beyond my knowledge and > > capabilities > > > > > >>> but it sounds like there might be some self-destructiveness > > involved > > > > > >>> in the mix. Some of the things we can do to ourselves, and > > > > > >>> unknowingly as well, are shocking. > > > > > >>> Have you tried any form of therapy? I'm not talking a > > psychiatrist. > > > > > >>> For the most part all they want to do is give you chemicals. I'm > > > > > >>> talking about psychology. I received far more actual help from a > > > > > >>> psychologist than I ever did from the two shrinks I saw. > > > > > >>> But finding the right psychologist can be a job in itself. It's > > like > > > > > >>> finding the right combination of medicines that works for your > > own > > > > > >>> particular brand of high blood pressure. You have to be able to > > feel > > > > > >>> comfortable with the person and to develop a strong trust in > > them. > > > > It > > > > > >>> took me a while before I found one with whom I worked well. I > > > > learned > > > > > >>> a lot in the year of weekly visits and have never felt the need > > for > > > > > >>> one since. > > > > > >>> Do you indulge in any sort of drug use? It doesn't sound like > > it, > > > > > >>> from what you've told me about your experience with alcohol. > > Have > > > > > >>> you ever tried mild tranquilizers such as 5mg of Valium? They > > can > > > > > >>> slow a person down sufficiently to more or less let you catch up > > to > > > > > >>> yourself. I don't particularly like Valium because it blots out > > > > > >>> creativity but marijuana works just fine > > ... > > read more »
