Be here now Molly I have know of that since I was a child and there was no RamDas and as far as I can tell it has been around for generation. I think it is wrong to credit someone for creating a concept that has been around for generations. Allan
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > "Be Here Now" was the bible for youth uprising that offered the civil > rights demonstrations and Vietnam war protests in the US in the late > 60s and early 70s. RamDas taught with Timothy Leary at Harvard in the > Psychology dept, they shared an office, and both left when Leary was > dismissed - moving to the Leary family home in California that became > infamous for his experiments in LSD. After having enough of that, > RamDas left for India and found his guru, returned to his family home > on the east coast afterward, and wrote "Be Here Now," gaining a large > following for his Westernized, Eastern ideas. > > On Sep 29, 7:39 pm, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 9/29/2010 8:52 AM, Molly wrote:> You do what you do because that s > what the harmony of the universe > > > requires, > > > > That is something I've been able to accept but not willing to be > > comfortable with.> RamDas, "Be Here Now" > > > > :) Now that sounds like a plea (kidding). While you are not, here is a > > hard place to find, someplace between yesterday and tomorrow. At the > > moment thinking 'where' is informed by the past as a formative > > world-perspective and 'what' comes from tomorrow, potentials pushing > > toward emergence. I am in awe at the mystery, William Blake echoing > > around the mental aether, and metaphysics of mind. To think I am great > > and small, like everything else is inducing a very stable waveform. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 2:13 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Every time I try to respond to this it seems I am a different > person > > >> and can't make any sense. Things are changing rapidly now, and I > > >> switched from recreational research in evenings to work related > research > > >> to make pace with recovery and development efforts. The greatest > changes > > >> are my history, it is strange but it seems like once or twice a week > now > > >> my perception changes dramatically regarding who and where I have > been. > > >> A shock came last week when I made an intentional experiment, and saw > > >> myself as a 50 year old man which was not too shocking except that I > > >> became him in an instant and saw the progression of life until now. > What > > >> I saw was a child (myself), and being free from him was beyond > > >> comprehension, many things I've known and not understood. This is > > >> something I have no idea how to convey, it seems so alien and beyond > > >> ontogenesis. This probably belongs in psk's thread but what to write > > >> here has been on my mind frequently. I've been riding the wave if you > > >> will and it is bringing good things to me, but facing many challenges > > >> I've been stuck with for a long time. How does one turn their back on > > >> onesself? It is like leaving a most intimate friend. > > > > >> Best Regards, > > >> Me? > > > > >> On 9/12/2010 11:26 PM, gruff wrote: > > > > >>> "... On Sep 12, 12:57 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: ... " > > >>>> In some situations I have a tend toward hypervigilance > > >>> Hypervigilance can be useful as long as it doesn't wind up in > > >>> paranoia, but given bouts of depression and anxiety, it probably > > >>> does. Trigger points for what? To break out of the fugue or to do > > >>> something else? > > >>> I doubt many are ready for parenthood when it befalls them. Even > > >>> though I was convinced that my line had to end with me because of the > > >>> socio-psychological defects, I failed to get a vasectomy until I was > > >>> in my early 40s and have never used a condom. I think there were > some > > >>> testosterone issues involved. I also had some sense that I was too > > >>> selfish to be a parent. I didn't want something around my neck that > > >>> would demand responsibility and tenacity from me. I wanted my life > to > > >>> be my own. But the latter never fully dawned on me till I had a > > >>> squalling, smelly bundle of baby in the house. I took an easy out. > > >>> Both mother and daughter left me when my kid was six months old and I > > >>> never went after them. I've don't se anything appealing about baby > > >>> humans. Now puppies and other animals are a different ballgame. > > >>> But that's me. It sounds like you had a lot of serious misgivings > and > > >>> confidence issues but you stepped up and did what you had to do in > > >>> spite of -- or maybe because of -- the darkness to which you > > >>> descended. It sounds like your realization of the responsibilities > > >>> involved overwhelmed you but again you did what you had to do. > > >>> You had a drinking problem for a short time but when you realized it > > >>> was causing you to fail your responsibilities as a father you put it > > >>> down. That's quite an accomplishment. > > >>> I don't think having been through a dark period necessarily requires > > >>> going back, especially if it causes that much pain. Now if I felt > you > > >>> were in denial, then I might recommend revisiting the fear till you > > >>> faced up to it, but you don't sound in denial. If anything it sounds > > >>> like you might be taking too much of the responsibility and blame. > > >>> In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps you are caught up in > > >>> guilt. Especially if your background is Jewish or Catholic. Both > are > > >>> big dealers in guilt as a means of punishment and motivation. Guilt > > >>> can do strange things to a normal human mind, cause much self- > > >>> destruction and self-inflicted pain. > > >>> Passive personality also fits in with guilt. Typical Woody Allen > > >>> complex. Have you ever seen any of his films? Does he make you > > >>> uncomfortable? If so, look deeper here. > > >>> Do you ever feel as though a breakthrough or enlightenment is just > > >>> around the corner, up the next block, across the street, in the next > > >>> person you meet ... but you never seem to get there or find them. > > >>> Just some random thoughts here. I felt like that quite often in my > > >>> teens, twenties and thirties. I didn't begin to come into my own > > >>> until my forties. Then I started spreading the news: Life does begin > > >>> at forty. Actually it begin whenever a person is ready for it to > > >>> begin. For some, life (i.e., being relatively confident in yourself > > >>> in most all situations) beings young. Me, I was a late bloomer. But > > >>> in some in never begins. Sounds like you're pretty close. You can't > > >>> go through the sort of mental examination and rigorous questioning > you > > >>> are doing without learning some very real things about yourself. > > >>> As for the tale of using a recording device to refresh the old > woman's > > >>> memory before her son visited, that was the only time I've had a > > >>> chance to actually see the results. But it makes sense, at least > > >>> enough to give it a try. > > >>> Your actual memory problems are beyond my knowledge and capabilities > > >>> but it sounds like there might be some self-destructiveness involved > > >>> in the mix. Some of the things we can do to ourselves, and > > >>> unknowingly as well, are shocking. > > >>> Have you tried any form of therapy? I'm not talking a psychiatrist. > > >>> For the most part all they want to do is give you chemicals. I'm > > >>> talking about psychology. I received far more actual help from a > > >>> psychologist than I ever did from the two shrinks I saw. > > >>> But finding the right psychologist can be a job in itself. It's like > > >>> finding the right combination of medicines that works for your own > > >>> particular brand of high blood pressure. You have to be able to feel > > >>> comfortable with the person and to develop a strong trust in them. > It > > >>> took me a while before I found one with whom I worked well. I > learned > > >>> a lot in the year of weekly visits and have never felt the need for > > >>> one since. > > >>> Do you indulge in any sort of drug use? It doesn't sound like it, > > >>> from what you've told me about your experience with alcohol. Have > > >>> you ever tried mild tranquilizers such as 5mg of Valium? They can > > >>> slow a person down sufficiently to more or less let you catch up to > > >>> yourself. I don't particularly like Valium because it blots out > > >>> creativity but marijuana works just fine for me -- except I can't get > > >>> it on my prescription drug plan. Not yet anyway. > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
