lol Sorry RP Not all logics are equal and your is of political nature as for beliefs.. I may listen to what others have to say but I do not need to convince myself of anything logically or other wise. Allan
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:22 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > There is no political mentality involved in all this. It is a matter of > logic and if my exercise of logic sounds illogical to you then you gain by > it as you become firmer in your beliefs. > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Well RP I am who I am. and I have evolved over the years and I have the >> freedom to respond as I choose not as my nature would have it. Yes God is in >> my life but not in the terms you want to put down. >> RP are you a politician by some chance? Why because you seem to be >> twisting ideas and words into something tha is not there. >> Oh well there is little use to deal with a political mentality >> Allan >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:30 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The will that makes you act against your apparent nature is your innate >>> nature. All that you strive for , the controls you exercise , and the >>> efforts you make is your innate nature. The doer in you is a slave of your >>> nature and your will is a tool of your nature whether apparent or innate. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:05 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> There you are wrong RP my nature sez pull the trigger (Why I was never >>>> allowed to play the bad guy..)my not doing it is against my nature. >>>> Allan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What you choose to do and what you don't depends upon the way your >>>>> brain is functioning , if you are nuts God help me and if you are >>>>> frustrated >>>>> and want to prove your point then also let God have pity upon me. What I >>>>> mean to say Allan is that you are under the control of your nature and >>>>> that >>>>> part of you which strives to change and do is innate in you , in other >>>>> words >>>>> just as much a part of your nature. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:53 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> RP I have been lost as to what you are arguing there are some laws >>>>>> you can not change, but those laws are like thing example the speed of >>>>>> light,, but even that can be changed some what. I think what every one >>>>>> is >>>>>> talking about is the freedom of choice is in the nature of my taking my >>>>>> browning high power and deciding to airiate your head by putting several >>>>>> round through it. For me to do that would be totally of my choice. Now >>>>>> the >>>>>> only genetic part of it is that I am very capable of doing it and have >>>>>> had >>>>>> the training to develop the skills in handling the weapon. >>>>>> What keeps me from doing it is I choose not to. You can always find >>>>>> some argument to fit your view but when you are staring down the business >>>>>> end it stops being illusionary and you start praying the holder is not >>>>>> nuts. >>>>>> Allan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:08 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We are the agents and therefore do everything which gives a false >>>>>>> notion of freedom , but actually whatever we do it is by God given >>>>>>> Nature. >>>>>>> Our personality is an outcome of the interaction of our genetic makeup >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the environment , both of which are in the hands of nature. Our will to >>>>>>> strive , to control , to improve is innate in us and is therefore >>>>>>> genetic in >>>>>>> nature. It is all a chain , one thing leads to another which gives us a >>>>>>> false notion of independence because our independence is dependent on so >>>>>>> many factors , some of which are under our control but that control is >>>>>>> illusory as it is due to the chain. The end result must be seen in the >>>>>>> perspective of the previous causative factors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:35 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We just have different ideas about this and that's okay. I think we >>>>>>>> also participate in our own corruption- often- but it is easier to >>>>>>>> blame others or the situation. Our innate nature at birth is one of >>>>>>>> potential and quite dependent on a multitude of factors. I do not >>>>>>>> blame God nor think Him malevolent as we have free will within the >>>>>>>> constuct of Determinism- an unsolveable. The brain can trump Nature, >>>>>>>> in my opinion though we are bound. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 8:13 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > A man's innate nature is corrupted by others and that is not in >>>>>>>> one's hands. >>>>>>>> > Nature from inside and outside a person determines all actions, so >>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>> > happens it is ultimately God's will and there is nothing >>>>>>>> presumptuous in >>>>>>>> > accepting and recognizing that. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > For some it is the struggle to survive rather than strive.//You >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> > > want to acqaint yourself with Thomas Hardy- an early influence- >>>>>>>> esp. >>>>>>>> > > his "Tess of the D'Ubervilles" and "Jude the Obscure".//American >>>>>>>> > > Democracy lures immigrants with freedom but materialism >>>>>>>> suffocates >>>>>>>> > > them with greed and envy despite their often good nature and >>>>>>>> > > generosity.//I do think it presumptuous to decide God's plan for >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> > > lives- there are too many surprises along the way. Plus our >>>>>>>> innate >>>>>>>> > > nature can be corrupted in several ways. Adam and Eve wound up >>>>>>>> > > dysfunctional- look at Cain and Abel! >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > Have wounded a thumb slicing a potato on the mandolin (a kitchen >>>>>>>> > > tool). Difficult to type and surf. :-( >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > On Nov 19, 4:29 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > > The " I " is self-sense which is just a reflection of the Self >>>>>>>> or God. >>>>>>>> > > Our >>>>>>>> > > > will is totally bound by nature , when we strive and struggle >>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>> > > because >>>>>>>> > > > of our innate nature which was given to us. The effect is >>>>>>>> always a result >>>>>>>> > > of >>>>>>>> > > > the cause and not vice versa. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:43 AM, [email protected]< >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > > > RP Singh. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > So it is not you then? What is you? When people say that >>>>>>>> we can >>>>>>>> > > > > achive via the application of our will what does this mean? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > There is I think in all of us a sense of 'Self''. What then >>>>>>>> is this >>>>>>>> > > > > Self? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > On Nov 18, 5:01 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > > > > " My " or " will " is the agent of Nature and is bound by >>>>>>>> It though >>>>>>>> > > > > seeming >>>>>>>> > > > > > to be free. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:36 PM, >>>>>>>> [email protected] < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > > > > > RP Singh, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > I agree we are all products of our enviroments, I cannot >>>>>>>> cease to >>>>>>>> > > have >>>>>>>> > > > > > > dark hair even if I wished, but I can choose to apply >>>>>>>> some dye to >>>>>>>> > > it. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > You used the word 'MY' quiet a lot in your response to >>>>>>>> me, along >>>>>>>> > > with >>>>>>>> > > > > > > the word 'WILL'. If you have no choice then what is >>>>>>>> this will you >>>>>>>> > > > > > > speak of? Who's will is it, how do you Will to strive? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > On Nov 18, 3:19 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > As a new-born I had a short or long nose , blue or >>>>>>>> black eyes , >>>>>>>> > > > > blonde or >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > black hair, or a white or black >>>>>>>> complexion------------ was it >>>>>>>> > > > > determined >>>>>>>> > > > > > > by >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > me , no it was in my genes. I was not responsible for >>>>>>>> my genes >>>>>>>> > > and >>>>>>>> > > > > > > whoever >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > else was responsible but I was bound to them. >>>>>>>> Similarly my reason >>>>>>>> > > was >>>>>>>> > > > > > > sharp >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > or dull , my imagination was keen or dull , my >>>>>>>> grasping power >>>>>>>> > > was >>>>>>>> > > > > good >>>>>>>> > > > > > > or >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > otherwise -- all such things were due to my genes. The >>>>>>>> > > environment in >>>>>>>> > > > > > > which >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > I was born was not of my making , yet it acted and >>>>>>>> reacted on me >>>>>>>> > > and >>>>>>>> > > > > I >>>>>>>> > > > > > > acted >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > and reacted to it. My personality which eventually >>>>>>>> developed was >>>>>>>> > > a >>>>>>>> > > > > result >>>>>>>> > > > > > > of >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > this interaction and my will to strive , to improve >>>>>>>> myself , to >>>>>>>> > > learn >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > ----was innate in me and not of my own making. So if >>>>>>>> these things >>>>>>>> > > > > were >>>>>>>> > > > > > > not >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > in my hands I can say that I am bound even though >>>>>>>> seeming to be >>>>>>>> > > free. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:32 PM, >>>>>>>> [email protected] < >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > Ohh how I disagree with this. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > It is clear that who we are, our very personalities >>>>>>>> are made >>>>>>>> > > from >>>>>>>> > > > > not >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > only our experiances but our enviroment. Are we >>>>>>>> really not >>>>>>>> > > free >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > though to make of ourselves something other than >>>>>>>> what we are? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > Yes yes of course we are. The key is understanding, >>>>>>>> if we can >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > understand what in our lives has made us 'Us' then >>>>>>>> we can >>>>>>>> > > surly >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > change in any mannor we wish. Of course this must >>>>>>>> be true or >>>>>>>> > > > > things >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > like cognative therapy would just not work. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 3:29 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Man is bound by his actions and bound to his >>>>>>>> experiences. >>>>>>>> > > > > Whatever >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > actions have to be done man is bound by them , as >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> > > whatever >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > experiences he undergoes he is bound to them. >>>>>>>> People say >>>>>>>> > > > > marriages >>>>>>>> > > > > > > are >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > made in heaven , I say every action and every >>>>>>>> experience is >>>>>>>> > > > > destined >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > in heaven. In big things we are able to accept >>>>>>>> bondage but in >>>>>>>> > > > > small >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > things we think we are free , we are able to >>>>>>>> accept the >>>>>>>> > > > > importance of >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > our genes as also our environment , but our reason >>>>>>>> finds it >>>>>>>> > > hard >>>>>>>> > > > > to >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > understand and accept complete bondage.- Hide >>>>>>>> quoted text - >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ( >>>>>> ) >>>>>> I_D Allan >>>>>> >>>>>> Be Paranoid. >>>>>> God is always building a better idiot!!! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ( >>>> ) >>>> I_D Allan >>>> >>>> Be Paranoid. >>>> God is always building a better idiot!!! >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> I_D Allan >> >> Be Paranoid. >> God is always building a better idiot!!! >> > > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
