David Brooks writes on competition/cooperation today but I have given up the NYTimes except for the headlines.
On May 11, 8:01 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> wrote: > That's true too. But, it seems that there is more cooperation within a > species than across species. I wonder why that is? > > It seems to me like there is as much benefit in cooperation between species > as there is within a species. > > I guess the answer would likely have something to do with protecting > offspring. > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:06 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > The same animals do not work together either. Check out the mating of > > AK bears. Or the everlasting frustrations of male and female, male and > > male, female and female, child to child human beings!!! > > > On May 11, 9:31 am, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Maybe the problem is a differing opinion on what 'work together' actually > > > means. What I mean when I say that animals don't work together is that > > there > > > is no contract or agreement between them for the mutual benefit of both. > > > > Note also that I didn't say no animals cooperate. Only that most don't. > > > > For instance; > > > > The shark doesn't give the sucker permission to ride along. It just does > > > because that is where the feeding grounds are. > > > > The hippo example is a symbiotic relationship because the hippo actually > > > gives the bird permission to go into it's mouth to clean. > > > > Diatoms don't give the whale permission to eat them. > > > > Grazing deer could care less if the monkey is forewarned. > > > > I'm not sure it's relevant to the conversation but there is a difference > > > between symbiotes and parasites. > > > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM, the taoist shaman <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > thats not even close to true chuck , sorry i have no real evidence but > > > > nether do you , although the answer is there to be researched . ( not > > > > essentialy " symbiotic " .... theres too much to be said , suckers > > > > feeding off bacteria on sharks , birds eating bugs off hippopotamus , > > > > diatoms feeding whales , some monkey and deer do work together , man > > > > and dog , even recorded proof of man and orca ( shamoo ) , every > > > > scavenger and paracite , ... this is all a hopeless , vague , speck of > > > > what i mean to convay , oh well . > > > > > Chuck Bowling wrote: > > > > > Most species of animal don't actually cooperate in a symbiotic > > > > relationship. > > > > > The monkey and deer don't work together. The monkey sees the deer run > > and > > > > > being at about the same point in the food chain figures that it > > should > > > > run > > > > > too. > > > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:18 PM, the taoist shaman < > > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > i view myself as a spiritual being haveing a human experience . > > the > > > > > > point is that we shouldn't behave like carnivorous beasts , deer > > and > > > > > > monkeys work tgether eating nuts and beries , the deer keep a look > > > > > > out , monkeys pick nuts , > > > > > > > is language a good or poor indicator of intellect ? > > > > > > > Ash wrote: > > > > > > > Well, I think we are a part of the animal kingdom, last time I > > > > checked > > > > > > > we were mammals in the sapien family. But I think the mentality > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > herd is a natural behavior to social creatures, that and our > > talented > > > > > > > rhetoric for negative reinforcement of behaviors that go against > > the > > > > > > > norm while the norm is reinforced with confirmation bias. > > > > > > > > On 5/5/2011 3:17 PM, the taoist shaman wrote: > > > > > > > > your statments contradict each other , besides we are not > > animals , > > > > > > > > well....... i can be a bit of an animal from time to time but > > ..... > > > > > > > > > On May 4, 10:02 pm, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> How can you expect governance unless you can control the > > > > population? > > > > > > > >> What else is new? :-) > > > > > > > > >> Even a family needs order and control, doesn't it? > > > > > > > > >> Don't you observe the order of nature? The routines of the > > natural > > > > > > > >> world serve a definite purpose. Eat or be eaten. :-) > > > > > > > > >> On May 3, 12:50 pm, the taoist shaman<[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> are most people really sheepole ? can i get a ya or nay- Hide > > > > quoted > > > > > > text - > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
