doesn't one of the commandments say something about false gods? Allan On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you, Vam- I hope it is another precious visit. > > Politics has become a "religion", as well. Just substitue a few words > in your paragraph. :-) > > On Oct 13, 5:38 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> Rigs, I can't help but think of the presence of a daughter and her family >> as " Happy Times " with grand-daughters ... noise, play, shout, request, >> demand and irritate, reminisce and gossip ,,, ! Hope it acrually turns to >> be a happy interlude . >> >> I have no doubts about severely debilitating and cosmic effects of >> religions that junk reason and humanity, and demand their adherents too to >> remain steadfast with the irrational. An institutional frame of clerics and >> clergy for global control is no more than a prison, covered with very >> beguiling but false promise of freedom. >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> > Not sure if religion, cults, tribal mischief did not have the same >> > effect Vam. Consider the countless wars, for instance. But I think >> > western man has turn the Age of Machines into a new religion and one >> > could draw many parallels- and has, via artists and authors. Anyway, >> > after spending way too much time finding a new niche for my morning >> > coffee maker before my daughter and two grand-daughters come for the >> > Xmas holidays (!), I have certainly racked up the equivalent of a >> > novena! BTW, a couple of years ago I noticed my feet were slightly >> > stiff in the morning and I worried that my flight to the kitchen for a >> > mug of coffee could be perilous so I bought one of those small coffee >> > makers for the upstairs and now include a muffin- just to rev up the >> > joints before I seize the day. :-) Anyway, this might be a good idea >> > for any who need to warm/rev up. (This is my machine confession.) On >> > the other hand, I have been negotiating with the Divine for a new lawn/ >> > snow guy and I am on the brink of success! lol >> >> > On Oct 11, 6:28 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Bingo ! * sounding the drums * >> >> > > But what gives it the merit also renders science blind to much that is >> > > essential to our humanity, which are abstract and non-material ... >> > beauty, >> > > ethics, morals, truth, compassion, happiness, love, etc. >> >> > > Albert Einstein expressed is eloquently ... as have several others. >> >> > > There has been much since science overwhelmed us. But everytime it has >> > > served to delete a part or measure of our humanity, mankind has struck a >> > > blow at its own foot ! >> >> > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:46:04 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> > > > I wasn't clear. I was thinking about new ideas and inventions which >> > > > made older ideas and inventions obsolete or mere stepping stones to a >> > > > greater truth. Science seems more open to changes and advances for the >> > > > most part though Darwin had a struggle but that was because he stepped >> > > > into religious territory which might mean that we are more open to >> > > > change when it does not involve emotions and beliefs versus >> > > > demonstrable facts. >> >> > > > On Oct 9, 9:08 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > It will still be more clever than the rest ! >> >> > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> > > > > > Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-) >> >> > > > > > On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > " Machines are only as clever as they have been programmed to >> > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans for >> > > > specific >> > > > > > > acts or purposes ... " >> >> > > > > > > If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man, >> >> > > > > > > it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been programmed >> >> > > > > > > but it would be more clever than every other man on the planet ! >> >> > > > > > > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > And certain ants have also figured out how to enter the honey >> > bee >> > > > as a >> > > > > > > > parasite which has an ominous impact on pollination. Species >> > pick >> > > > up >> > > > > > > > their behaviors from their groups- some are more dedicated- >> > > > patterns >> > > > > > > > can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating worth with >> > money/ >> > > > > > > > salary?//Machines are only as clever as they have been >> > programmed >> > > > to >> > > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans for >> > > > specific >> > > > > > > > acts or purposes but still short of general intelligence, >> > insight >> > > > and >> > > > > > > > adaptation.// Old age is not necessarily "lousey" except the >> > final >> > > > > > > > chapter is death and certain goals were not realized or >> > possible. >> > > > Hard >> > > > > > > > work/age does not create arthritis- that is a myth. The 12 >> > year >> > > > old >> > > > > > > > across the street has arthritis and started some exercise for >> > > > > > > > violinists. >> >> > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 9:51 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > The archaeological evidence is that such things as the move >> > to >> > > > > > farming >> > > > > > > > > from hunter-gathering did not improve the human lot for >> > those >> > > > who >> > > > > > > > > cleared and dug sod (arthritis etc. from the work). The >> > obvious >> > > > > > issue >> > > > > > > > > for present society concerns the dubious status of our work >> > and >> > > > > > life- >> > > > > > > > > style ideologies. Slave-making ants kill the adults in >> > their >> > > > host >> > > > > > > > > ants and steal the 'eggs' in order to steal the work as they >> > > > become >> > > > > > > > > adult by making them raise their own brood. Even in >> > enslaved >> > > > ant >> > > > > > > > > consciousness something inspires 'rebellion' and 'duty' to >> > the >> > > > wider >> > > > > > > > > collective. Humans have a sad history of enslavement and >> > debt >> > > > > > > > > peonage. >> > > > > > > > > Undergraduates can be heard every year bemoaning salaries on >> > > > offer >> > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > 'all their hard work' - few of them have done any! The >> > Chinese >> > > > > > refer >> > > > > > > > > to their graduates who don't get the good jobs as 'Ant >> > People'. >> > > > > > Some >> > > > > > > > > of my old colleagues inside technological manufacturing used >> > to >> > > > note >> > > > > > > > > the need for workers was disappearing faster than most knew >> > as >> > > > work >> > > > > > > > > and skill is embodied in technology (an old marxist theme). >> > My >> > > > own >> > > > > > > > > feeling is that we have killed off much valuable stuff that >> > > > James >> > > > > > > > > suggests through the ejukation system - falsely imagining >> > > > subjects >> > > > > > > > > designed in our dubious past teach anything other than >> > control >> > > > > > fraud. >> > > > > > > > > Even medical training involves a lot of unnecessary rot. >> > > > > > > > > Some of us think machines are better at 'thinking' than most >> > > > people >> > > > > > > > > (soon Gabby will be made redundant from her Gad-fly role >> > once I >> > > > > > clear >> > > > > > > > > up a few teething problems with the bots!), partly because >> > no >> > > > human >> > > > > > > > > can encompass the data loads. Allan and I share problems >> > with >> > > > our >> > > > > > > > > 'flash memory' - buzz, ping, PTSD etc. - (it's my time of >> > year >> > > > to >> > > > > > have >> > > > > > > > > flash-backs to Northern Ireland) - getting old is lousy - >> > soon >> > > > my >> > > > > > > > > friendly solid state world will move from Enlightenment to >> > > > > > > > > Entanglement as I stroke Schrodinger's cat. We have now >> > done >> > > > this >> > > > > > > > > experimentally with some tinkering. >> > > > > > > > > Memory is increasingly viewed as about our ability to >> > predict >> > > > the >> > > > > > > > > future - that is its purpose is for this. We find it in >> > > > non-human >> > > > > > > > > life-forms too. This is related to a general science-view >> > of >> > > > why a >> > > > > > > > > system would invest in the resources to have memory at all. >> > > > I'll >> > > > > > > > > leave this babble with the question 'where do the Spartacus >> > ants >> > > > > > > > > raised by the slavers get the memories that inspire >> > rebellion'? >> >> > > > > > > > > On 6 Oct, 19:50, James <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > From another perspective one might like to appreciate the >> > > > role >> > > > > > (or a >> > > > > > > > > > role) of life as within an integral spectrum. If there is >> > a >> > > > world >> > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > > meaning beyond our conceptions it would present a >> > challenge to >> > > > > > > > undertake >> > > > > > > > > > exploration and discovery. Regardless of conception or >> > outside >> > > > our >> > > > > > > > > > capacity we might be bound by greater rules in nature. >> > These >> > > > are >> > > > > > > > > > questions I think that arise when the suspicion of being >> > led >> > > > > > becomes >> > > > > > > > too >> > > > > > > > > > great to ignore, fear has a corrupting influence on that >> > as >> > > > does >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > diverse symbols at our disposal provided by language, >> > > > corrupting >> > > > > > as in >> > > > > > > > > > coloring and distorting. But the tools of identity, shared >> > > > > > language >> > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > meanings can facilitate discovery. Internal motives can >> > > > present a >> > > > > > > > > > struggle for a clear picture, and yet without them what >> > > > impetus >> > > > > > would >> > > > > > > > > > there be? Context is amazingly significant, the when and >> > > > where, >> > > > > > I've >> > > > > > > > > > found. That is in part a few features of what I am >> > exploring >> > > > > > > > currently, >> > > > > > > > > > among the jumble. This can be intimate stuff, thanks for >> > > > sharing >> > > > > > what >> > > > > > > > > > you gather. :) >> >> > > > > > > > > > On 10/5/2012 4:25 AM, Allan H wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Lately I have been trying to get out of this physical >> > > > concept of >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > -- > > >
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