[Ron]
> ...the focus being on the recognition of things
before
> one can think about it.
Again, how do you 'know'/'recognize' "things before one can think"?
This kind of loop, where 'know' is before 'know' is a trapping of SOM
thinking I believe.
[Ron]
> Again my suspicion is that preintellectual recognition has s/o
> distinction and naturally leads to s/o intellection, simply on the
> merit that we sense the phenomenal world as objects in relation to
> ourselves before we even think about it.
I disagree. I really don't think about that and I being separate.
I could if I wanted to, but my mind is accepting these cricket sounds,
they pass through me, and I'm really not trying to define a this and
that, just a continual stream of events.
[Ron]
> I have ducked objects thrown at me before I was aware of the whats
> whys and hows of any of it.
I duck all the time to bad, disturbing, immoral, and unvaluable
thoughts, are those thoughts not mine?
[Ron]
I guess what I'm saying is my personel experience has been a level of
awareness you describe
as a continual stream of events where I'm aware of things without
actually thinking about them.
there is this state of awareness then there is thinking about things.
I'm saying that even in
my awareness of continual stream of events I sense objects other than
me ie. cricket chirping. which
I allow to pass through me. I just feel that there are two differing
levels of awareness
that seem to be getting lumped together somehow in the MOQ perpective.
If you ever got
"sucker punched" or been
hit by something you were not aware of, there is this split second of
pure awareness before
the pain sets in and you begin to rationalize just what hit you and how.
if you've been hit in the
back of the head, your vision becomes jumbled and nothing visually makes
sense for a few moments.
experience tells you if this has happened before that more than likely
you're going to get hit again
and head for cover if you are unexperienced you are going to pop your
head up and look around
for what hit you, probably getting it in the face this time. With out
intellection and SOM
I feel the fist,bottle,shoe hit my face,me. And you have s/o distinction
before I can think about it.
It's just curious. I get confused when Pirsig says there is dynamic
quality of the immediate experience
and SOM nothing else, to which I ask well what the heck was before the
greeks invention of SOM?
someone list the OTHER brands of metaphysics and if it's cultural then
it should be easy
to point to OTHER cultural metaphysics should'nt it?
Thanks SA, I'm just askin questions, any help would be appreciated.
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