Ron Kulp said:
I feel there is an area MOQ is overlooking by concentration on value alone.
I feel perhaps Pirsig takes it to a subjective tilt by positing that value
comes before subjects and objects and subjects and objects can be dropped or
seperated from value. (Ron later added) ...Which then, of course, projects
the universe as being a moral universe because now you are in the realm of
the subjective without knowing it...
dmb says:
As I see it, here you're making some kind of mistake in logic and then
projecting that mistake onto Pirsig. I mean, the charge of a "subjective
tilt" defies Pirsig's central point in asserting a "pre-intellectual
awareness". The most important characteristic of this "pure experience", as
James calls it, is that it is prior to the distinction between self and
world, between subject and object. It is also called an undivided experience
because there are as yet no conceptual distinctions. Northrop's phrase fits
for the same reason; the undifferentiated aesthetic continuum. And because
this primary empirical reality lacks all divisions, we can't rightly call it
subjective or objective. It is an experience which precedes that
distinction.
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