Ron Kulp said: I feel there is an area MOQ is overlooking by concentration on value alone. I feel perhaps Pirsig takes it to a subjective tilt by positing that value comes before subjects and objects and subjects and objects can be dropped or seperated from value. (Ron later added) ...Which then, of course, projects the universe as being a moral universe because now you are in the realm of the subjective without knowing it...
dmb says: As I see it, here you're making some kind of mistake in logic and then projecting that mistake onto Pirsig. I mean, the charge of a "subjective tilt" defies Pirsig's central point in asserting a "pre-intellectual awareness". The most important characteristic of this "pure experience", as James calls it, is that it is prior to the distinction between self and world, between subject and object. It is also called an undivided experience because there are as yet no conceptual distinctions. Northrop's phrase fits for the same reason; the undifferentiated aesthetic continuum. And because this primary empirical reality lacks all divisions, we can't rightly call it subjective or objective. It is an experience which precedes that distinction. [Ron] Perhaps I am making a mistake in logic. For anything to be experienced it must be differentiated correct? or else it is not sensed at all correct? how can it be qualified as any sort of experience with out some sort of differention? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
