> Ron says:
> Dave, as per the above statements we are on the same
> page, different
> Paragraphs perhaps but the same page non-the-less,
> here's the issue:
> Bo maintains by these statements that for all
> practical intent and purpose,
> SOM represents the intellectual level as per our
> culture.
SA: Ron, Bo denies this cultural perspective that
your trying to make. Also, The broad-edged sword of
cultural dominance has for some time, seen 'things' as
black or white, your either this or that. Yet,
western culture isn't exclusively an s/o intellect.
It may have become dominant, and the dominant does
hold the microphone.
Ron: And as you Posit that Dewey James and Pirsig
project an
> intellectual framework
> different From it. Now MoQ and SOM differ in the
> fact that SOM is
> embedded in the culture while MoQ is not, not yet
> anyway.
> Here lies the paradigm shift from speaking about the
> levels in general
> Evolutionary terms and speaking of them in
> culturally specific terms.
SA: I would say Bo speaks of the levels as culturally
specific terms or historical timelines that are
delineated by each level. This is Comte's view of
history. Thus, why I say Bo view is kin to Comte's
view. I see the dominant view of the moq, at least on
this forum at the moment, that the moq levels are more
general evolutionary terms and they also help
distinguish morals. Is this what you mean by
'evolutionary terms' and culturally specific terms'?
Ron: Dave, I'm not an SOL salesman, I'm just trying
to
> sort out the mess. I guess the main point is
> That SOM was not aware that it was an intellectual
> pattern and took
> It for reality itself the culture takes it as
> reality itself. MoQ
> realizes it is an intellectual pattern
> And includes this knowledge in it's body. It leaves
> the metaphysic open
> to the dynamic.
SA: Yes, as long as s/o isn't the only intellectual
pattern as Bo proclaims, then I see where your coming
from and agree. Intellectual patterns are the
metaphysics, as well as, the other levels are the
metaphysics and dq is the metaphysics, therefore, the
moq can't be lived out only as intellectual patterns.
Ron: This aspect alone sets it above all
> other intellectual patterns. Now before you go
pointing to Tao and
> Hinduism, I must point
> out that MoQ retains scientific method and a host of
> other SOM qualities
> that have bore the fruit of our modern world.
> as far as I'm aware historically this is something
> of a first for humanity
> and the dawning of a new age of possibility.
SA: When we look back it may seem history is
stationary and static, and thus, in terms of
historical perspective what happened in science may
need to be explained as SOM guided, but I find that as
we look back a better historical perspective of
science, even before the moq, we will find science was
actually guided by quality, and the metaphysics is
here now to explain it this way.
I've got to go,
SA
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