> [Arlo previously] > Let me try again. What makes your land YOURS, Nick. Just because > you say it is? > > [Nick] > Yes. As simple as it sounds, that's the whole point and always has > been for centuries. > > [Arlo] > Oh, Nick. So close and yet so far. So its YOURS just because you > say it is. Let's say your neighbor says it is HIS? Who is right?
Nick: I'm right Arlo. If my neighbor claims it then he is a thief. But since you don't know what stealing is and allow it it's easy to see you come to these conclusions. > [Nick] > That's called stealing, but since you don't understand what > stealing is in the first place it's easy to see why you would > conclude this. > > [Arlo] > Why? You bought the land in a monetary transaction from me? Why > isn't it YOURS? So close, Nick, you can do it... Nick: Because it was somebody's elses first. They are present and claims the land. They can prove they use the land. Their is sign of their presence everywhere. But since you allow people to steal it's easy to see why you come to these conclusions. > [Nick previously] > But since you advocate government take-overs and stealing you would > repeat history. > > [Arlo] > Right. So its okay to benefit from stealing and murder, as long as > you didn't pull the trigger. But if someone tries to take what > you've acquired through murder and theft, that would be wrong. Got > it. Your NAP sounds mighty whacky, if this is what it preaches. Nick: Come to my house and land now. Show me that nobody else lived here before I did. Prove to me that this land was stolen. Prove it. People migrate and move around. If nobody lived in a place, then people can settle. People are free to roam as long as they don't criminalize. So come to my house dig in the dirt and show me who's ancestors are present today that have first rights to this land. I invite you. > [Arlo] > I could read up on black helicopters and aliens under the ice cap > too, but that doesn't mean anything. Since you avoided my question, > I'll ask it again. Try to answer it Nick, you may learn something. > Do animals have a "natural right" to property? They are part of the > natural world, aren't they? They exist as biological beings just > like we do, don't they? If no, then why do humans but not animals? > Again, since you need a clue, the words "social" and "intellectual" > are in the answer. If yes, then why do you keep stealing land from > the animals, Nick, give it back. "Rights" are intellectual > patterns. They come from "man", not the natural world. And, in > modern times, these intellectual patterns have formed the basis for > our civil governance, a governance we created to give legitimacy to > our claims (of property, for one). > You are close, Nick, real close, keep at it... I have hope for you yet. Nick: Read up on what natural rights before you try to make an argument against something you are very ignorant about. You don't even know what you are arguing against cause you don't even know what natural rights mean. It's a strawman. check-mate. Nick -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
