[Arlo previously]
Let me try again. What makes your land YOURS, Nick. Just because you say it is?
[Nick]
Yes. As simple as it sounds, that's the whole point and always has
been for centuries.
[Arlo]
Oh, Nick. So close and yet so far. So its YOURS just because you say
it is. Let's say your neighbor says it is HIS? Who is right? What
legitimizes YOUR claim and makes his WRONG? C'mon, Nick, you're
close... you can do it.
[Nick]
That's called stealing, but since you don't understand what stealing
is in the first place it's easy to see why you would conclude this.
[Arlo]
Why? You bought the land in a monetary transaction from me? Why isn't
it YOURS? So close, Nick, you can do it...
[Nick]
But since you advocate government take-overs and stealing you would
repeat history.
[Arlo]
Right. So its okay to benefit from stealing and murder, as long as
you didn't pull the trigger. But if someone tries to take what you've
acquired through murder and theft, that would be wrong. Got it. Your
NAP sounds mighty whacky, if this is what it preaches.
[Nick]
Oh, so they didn't like stealing. They recognized property. Thank
you very much.
[Arlo]
Ah, Nick, you keep coming so close, then falling back into your haze.
They didn't have a concept of "stealing". They didn't recognize
"property" in any manner similar to what you claim is "natural". It
was communal, tribal, things belonged to the tribe. Their social
agreements revolved around "need", not "mine". If you needed that
bow, you took it, used it and that was fine. "Land" didn't belong to
the tribe, the tribe belonged to the land, and they defended it
because of their spiritual history being part of that land. It wasn't
'"ownership", it was "being part of". This keeps eluding you, but
keep at it, you might get it one day...
[Nick]
Read up on natural rights. I posted a good article. It will help
you understand.
[Arlo]
I could read up on black helicopters and aliens under the ice cap
too, but that doesn't mean anything. Since you avoided my question,
I'll ask it again. Try to answer it Nick, you may learn something.
Do animals have a "natural right" to property? They are part of the
natural world, aren't they? They exist as biological beings just like
we do, don't they? If no, then why do humans but not animals? Again,
since you need a clue, the words "social" and "intellectual" are in
the answer. If yes, then why do you keep stealing land from the
animals, Nick, give it back. "Rights" are intellectual patterns. They
come from "man", not the natural world. And, in modern times, these
intellectual patterns have formed the basis for our civil governance,
a governance we created to give legitimacy to our claims (of
property, for one).
You are close, Nick, real close, keep at it... I have hope for you yet.
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