[Nick]
I'm right Arlo. If my neighbor claims it then he is a thief.
[Arlo]
Jeez, Nick, you are so close. Almost there. Why are you RIGHT and he
a thief? What legitimizes YOUR claim that its YOURS? You keep dancing
around revelation, Nick. Sooner or later you'll get it.
[Nick]
Because it was somebody's elses first. They are present and claims
the land. They can prove they use the land. Their is sign of their
presence everywhere.
[Arlo]
So ownership is matter of squatting? If I move onto "your" land. Set
up a camp. Plant a garden. Dig a well. That makes the land MINE?
Keep going, Nick... it'll come to you, I know it will.
[Nick]
Come to my house and land now. Show me that nobody else lived here
before I did.
[Arlo]
Sure they did. But they were killed and the land stolen. How
convenient that you advocate "peace" now that you are in possession
of stolen land.
[Nick]
So come to my house dig in the dirt and show me who's ancestors are
present today that have first rights to this land. I invite you.
[Arlo]
The Lenape Tribe. Now that you know, I'll assume you are going to
give the land back.
[Nick]
Read up on what natural rights before you try to make an argument
against something you are very ignorant about.
[Arlo]
There are NO "natural rights". I don't need to read up on it anymore
than I need to read up on dragons or pixie fairies. C'mon, Nick. If
you tried to answer my question, you really could learn something.
Why do you cling to intellectual dishonesty?
Do animals have a "natural right" to property? They are part of the
natural world, aren't they? They exist as biological beings just like
we do, don't they? If no, then why do humans but not animals? Again,
since you need a clue, the words "social" and "intellectual" are in
the answer. If yes, then why do you keep stealing land from the
animals, Nick, give it back.
"Rights", including "property rights", are not "natural", they are
"intellectual". And as intellectual patterns they derive from the
culture from whence they came. Socially we craft civil governance in
accord with our intellectual patterns, to give them legitimacy and
authority. "Rights" derive from man, not the natural world.
Again, you are really so close to understanding, Nick. Please keep
going, you'll get there. I have hopes you'll break out of your haze here soon.
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