@Jan You probably are a basketbalplayer so your subconscious frame of reference resonates better with the experience of basketbal.
I am an Engineer who started repairing things at a very young age so i believe that's the reason why i resonate more with idea's of a elektronic nature. mathematics is just an abstract laguage of underlaying value's(more Basic)) that can be translated to more upperlaying value experience's like basketball, mechanics or electronic's I try to apply the same principle to psychology/psychiatry in the hope someone can prove this approach scientificly in the future. There must be a lot of scientific data somewhere to be able to be analysed from this other perspective. maybe thhere is a challange for you to investigate this in the physiology sciences. @Adrie As far as i can find on the internet do mu and wu have an dentical meaning. Wikipedia Dutch *Wu wei* is een grondstelling in het taoïsme<http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao%C3%AFsme> dat een begrip inhoudt van weten wanneer wel te handelen (i.a.w. actief op te treden) en wanneer niet te handelen. De letterlijke betekenis van *wu wei* luidt: "niet handelen tegen de aard der dingen in". Een onderdeel van het paradoxale <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_(logica)> begrip *wei wu wei*, komt als volgt tot uitdrukking: "handelen door niet te handelen. *Wikipedia English Wu* may be translated as *not have* or *without*; *Wei* may be translated as *do, act, serve as, govern or effort*. The literal meaning of *wu wei* is "without action", "without effort", or "without control", and is often included in the paradox *wei wu wei*: "action without action" or "effortless doing". The practice of *wu wei* and the efficacy of *wei wu wei * are fundamental tenets in Chinese thought<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_philosophy> and have been mostly emphasized by theTaoist school<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism>. One cannot actively pursue *wu wei*. It is more a mere observation of one's behavior after they have accepted themselves for who they are and release conscious control over their lives to the infinite Tao<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism> . There is another less commonly referenced sense of *wu wei*; "action that does not involve struggle or excessive effort". In this instance,*wu* means "without" and Wei means "effort". The concept of "effortless action" is a part of Taoist <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism> Internal martial arts<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neijia> such as T'ai chi ch'uan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%27ai_chi_ch%27uan>, Baguazhang <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baguazhang> and Xing Yi<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xingyiquan>. It follows that wu wei complies with the main feature and distinguishing characteristic of Taoism, that of being natural. To apply wu wei to any situation is to take natural action. In Zen Calligraphy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitsuzendo>, wu wei has been represented as a circle <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ens%C5%8D>. In China, the Wu Wei Characters <http://www.edepot.com/taoism_wu-wei.html> themselves resonate with old Taoist. I ones did a course at a company called Wuwei who manufactured internet routers so it probably also corresponds with the digital states of 0 and 1 in the chinese language. So Pirsig an Hofstater had it indeed Wrong using as an indecisive kind of state. I am not very familiar with fuzzy logic at the moment so i have to look in to how they determen the third state in fuzzy logic applications. greetings Eddo 2013/4/8 Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> > Eddo > > The Tecoma Bridge is a good picture. I gave the example of bouncing a > basket ball to the floor in MALC. > > By that experiment anyone can experience the feeling in their hands what a > balanced wave can be like. I think it is better than waves of sound and > colour because they are a little more abstract even if Pythagoras described > it well. > > Jan Anders > > > 8 apr 2013 kl. 00.47 skrev Eddo Rats: > > > Hi Adrie > > Net terug van muziek sessie. Maak je geen zorgen over mijn > opslingeringen. > > > > You're worries about my state of resonance rise gives me the idea that > you > > seem to understand the direction i want to go to. I am taking some more > > time to write a propper answer to your mail. > > > > But for the time being i can tell you my findings of the mu state in the > > wave equation. > > > > The resonance rise situation is dangerous because you are than suceptable > > to energy absorbtion. I don't yet know what kind of Energy but it causes > > your sensation levels to rise above sustainable levels. > > > > Famous mechanical example of resonance rise too! high: tecoma bridge > > resonance rise! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw> > > > > Like this bridge can distort and break a subconscious mind can > > distort(psychosis) and break(schizofrenia, dissosiation disorders) > > > > > > I believe i found the mu state in resonanance theory but have never been > > able to communicate it with anyone. > > > > basic resonance rise equation: e^iwt + e^-iwt = 2coswt > > > > basic resonance mu state: e^(iwt+pi/3) + e^(-iwt+pi/3) = coswt (when > cos > > wt = cos -wt) > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > met vriendelijke groeten Eddo Rats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > 2013/4/6 ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> > > > >> Eddo, read learrn and chill-out a bit. > >> > >> Mu state . Zen and the art.......someone quoting Roberts observations on > >> wiki. > >> > >> *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative)*< > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative)> > >> > >> Good but no good article. > >> > >> Under “unasking the question” there is a snippet from Zen where Robert > >> makes a numer of big mistakes.The entire thinkingline of Robert about > >> circuits and on/off caracteristics is wrong. > >> > >> Computercircuits are never in a Mu-state.Only on first sight they seem > to > >> be awaiting for zero power or power on as in on/off.What Robert is > >> depicting is a normal light circuit,a bulb, power on or of light on or > off > >> , zero or not zero. > >> > >> Integrated computer circuits have three different states, and zero or > non > >> zero is not one of them. > >> > >> High impendance (!) > >> > >> Under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_impedance > >> > >> You will be able to find digital electronics and analogue electronics. > >> > >> Now it is very easy to find where Robert goes wrong ,In digital > electronics > >> and computer circuits there are three different states, and they are not > >> Mu. > >> > >> Robert tought that analogue electronics have the same properties of the > >> digital ones > >> > >> Not being an electronic engineer,Robert will always miss the word he was > >> looking for > >> > >> to make his entire point of view correct....”resonance rise” this was > the > >> term he missed. > >> > >> and to understand this > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance_(alternating-current_circuits) > >> > >> Now my point for you Eddo > >> > >> You are taking the term “resonance rise” out of the technical > connotation > >> and understand it as “Opslingering”but this connotation makes me realise > >> where you want to point out with your wave equations, you are trying to > >> avoid your own mu states, > >> > >> but fail to find the words, like Pirsig.Pirsig avoided his own Mu > states! > >> > >> The trick is in the imaginary slow-motion of indiana jones his whip, the > >> resonance rise in de wave is reflecting back to the hand that is on the > end > >> of the whip,but the reflection moves up in amplitude depending on the > >> lenght of the whip and the induced amplitude in the first place. > >> > >> This kind of reasearch is what you should be performing Eddo,instead of > >> pissing of Mr Buchanan. > >> > >> en Blijf weg van “opslingering”!--resonance rise, en de stilte van de > Mu. > >> > >> Study these things before you will become Mu only, there is enough to > >> grasp. > >> > >> > >> > >> Groet , Adrie > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2013/4/6 Eddo Rats <[email protected]> > >> > >>> @dumb > >>> Typical you to pick this part being my soft spot as someone with a > >>> psychiatric hystory being honest about it. You are not a philosopher > but > >> a > >>> moq philosophologist a politician and a narcistic priest that wants me > >> out > >>> of his church. Good luck with your church. You win! :D probably > dropped > >>> mathematics at highschool. This is that above the door > >>> Plato<http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Mathematicians/Plato.html> > >>> inscribed > >>> "Let no one who is not a geometer enter" > >>> > >>> My advice to you, read ZMM where pirsig goes to chicago again and again > >> and > >>> again and again. Look in the mirror and think very hard. To me > you're a > >>> lost case but never give up hope . > >>> > >>> > >>> 2013/4/5 david buchanan <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> Eddo answered the million dollar question: What's the point? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ...Understanding this relationship became even more important during > >>>> psychotic episodes when i noticed that the amounts of sensation i had > >> to > >>>> deal with became so high that it had a distorting effect on the > >>> personality > >>>> i was (as a collection of concepts in my subconscious mind). This made > >> me > >>>> even work harder to be able to understand this relationship. Now > >> after > >>>> twenty years i thought of a way to understand this, and this gives me > >>> tools > >>>> in my head to regulate myself when the sensations tend to become to > >> high. > >>>> So "the point" to me has very personal value... > >>>> P.S. Lets continue this discussion in the new thread i made "Quality > >>>> defined!" because we are hijacking this thread which was started with > >>>> another purpose by somebody else. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> dmb says: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sorry, but I'm not interested. Since Pirsig says (about a thousand > >> times) > >>>> that Quality can't be defined and since your interested in mostly > >>> yourself, > >>>> I don't think you're even talking about the MOQ. That's the point and > >>>> purpose of this forum and I'm not qualified to help you regulate your > >>>> sensations anyway. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>> Archives: > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> parser > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
