Dear Marsha It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with YES or NO.
Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N J-A >>>>>>>> Jan-Anders, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or >>>>>>>> teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and after >>>>>>>> a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state >>>>>>>> of changing. In other words, both before and after the firing, the >>>>>>>> clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I suggest that you >>>>>>>> might take a few minutes everyday to take an introspective look: > Marsha: > I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a contradiction > to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable identity at the > same time as they and their context are undergoing constant change. Think of > the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone drops out but is > replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body with its cells > constantly being replaced. Things can change - flow - and yet have > permanence; think of a river. 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV: > > J-A, > > Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I > will consider it. > > > Marsha > > > On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Well Marsha >> >> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable >> AND still in a constant state of changeing. >> >> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into >> another, OK? >> >> J-A >> >> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV: >> >>> >>> >>> J-A, >>> >>> What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's >>> point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and >>>> stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>> >>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it makes >>>> the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is still >>>> in a state of change? >>>> >>>> Jan-Anders >>>> >>>> >>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> J-A, >>>>> >>>>> I did not write "still in constant change". >>>>> >>>>> Before (when soft and malleable), during firing, and after a firing (when >>>>> firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of changing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 9, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Would please answer my last question: >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change >>>>>> when the clay is burned? Y/N >>>>>> >>>>>> J A >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 9 maj 2013 x kl. 09.21 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you do not familiar the process of firing clay, you might think >>>>>>> about choosing a different example for your attempts at a thought >>>>>>> experiment. Does your imagining clay firing stay the same? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> YES >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am confused. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change >>>>>>>> when the clay is burned? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jan Anders >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 8 maj 2013 x kl. 11.34 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You seem confused, so I've changed the subject line to reflect the >>>>>>>>> original and more appropriate discussion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or >>>>>>>>> teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and >>>>>>>>> after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a >>>>>>>>> constant state of changing. In other words, both before and after >>>>>>>>> the firing, the clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I >>>>>>>>> suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an >>>>>>>>> introspective look: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from >>>>>>>>> experience but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, >>>>>>>>> confusing, static, intellectual attachments of the past." >>>>>>>>> (LILA, Chapter 9) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> “Introspective observation is what we have to rely on first and >>>>>>>>> foremost and always. I regard the belief [in introspection] as the >>>>>>>>> most fundamental of all the postulates of Psychology” >>>>>>>>> (W. 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