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Dear Marsha Of course there is a point. Are you able to agree in any point? Y/N J A 13 maj 2013 x kl. 12.25 skrev MarshaV: > > J-A, > > There never was a point, was there? And now another pointless question? > > Mu! > > > Marsha > > > > On May 13, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Marsha >> >> What do you like the writings of Robert M Pirsig? >> >> J A >> >> >> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 11.05 skrev MarshaV: >> >>> >>> J-A, >>> >>> What she? >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 13, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So did you like the pattern she created? >>>> >>>> J A >>>> >>>> >>>> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 10.28 skrev MarshaV: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> J-A, >>>>> >>>>> Would you now like to lecture me on how you have achieved a similar >>>>> performance of beauty, harmony, balance, and how I could too if only I >>>>> listen to your wise words? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How about this >>>>> >>>>> http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU >>>>> >>>>> J A >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Greetings J-A, >>>>> >>>>> On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you are interested to know its point. >>>>> >>>>> Is it your habit (pattern) to think you KNOW other people's interests? >>>>> That's a rather grandiose claim. - Make your point! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here's my mundane point: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- Static patterns of value are repetitive processes (multiple events), >>>>> >>>>> conditionally co-dependent, >>>>> >>>>> impermanent, >>>>> >>>>> and ever-changing, >>>>> >>>>> that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, >>>>> predictable pattern. >>>>> >>>>> Within the MoQ, >>>>> >>>>> these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, >>>>> evolutionary, >>>>> >>>>> hierarchical >>>>> structure: >>>>> intellectual, >>>>> social, >>>>> >>>>> biological, >>>>> >>>>> and inorganic. >>>>> >>>>> Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns. >>>>> >>>>> Patterns have no independent, >>>>> inherent existence. --- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> p.s. Consider this explanation in the same category as "pure experience" >>>>> where 'pure' doesn't mean 'pure' but merely 'relatively pure' and there >>>>> are no accusations of some horrendous, unspeakable, anti-intellectual >>>>> crime against definition. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 12 maj 2013 x kl. 23.46 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so. >>>>>>> It's your thought experiment, so explain its point. What are you >>>>>>> thinking? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Marsha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my >>>>>>>> questions with YES or NO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J-A >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clay or teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is still in a constant state of changing. In other words, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both before and after the firing, the clay or teapot is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever-changing. So once again I suggest that you might take a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few minutes everyday to take an introspective look: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marsha: >>>>>>>>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a >>>>>>>>> contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, >>>>>>>>> stable identity at the same time as they and their context are >>>>>>>>> undergoing constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade >>>>>>>>> (Hume) where everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is >>>>>>>>> maintained, or the body with its cells constantly being replaced. >>>>>>>>> Things can change - flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment >>>>>>>>> clear I will consider it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well Marsha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and >>>>>>>>>> stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern >>>>>>>>>> changes into another, OK? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J-A >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't >>>>>>>>>>> understand it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the >>>>>>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm >>>>>>>>>>>> and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because >>>>>>>>>>>> it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter >>>>>>>>>>>> because it is still in a state of change? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> snip... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
