Dear Marsha What do you like the writings of Robert M Pirsig?
J A 13 maj 2013 x kl. 11.05 skrev MarshaV: > > J-A, > > What she? > > > Marsha > > > > > > On May 13, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <janander...@telia.com> > wrote: > >> So did you like the pattern she created? >> >> J A >> >> >> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 10.28 skrev MarshaV: >> >>> >>> J-A, >>> >>> Would you now like to lecture me on how you have achieved a similar >>> performance of beauty, harmony, balance, and how I could too if only I >>> listen to your wise words? >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote: >>> >>> How about this >>> >>> http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU >>> >>> J A >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings J-A, >>> >>> On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Marsha >>>> >>>> I think you are interested to know its point. >>> >>> Is it your habit (pattern) to think you KNOW other people's interests? >>> That's a rather grandiose claim. - Make your point! >>> >>> >>> Here's my mundane point: >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Static patterns of value are repetitive processes (multiple events), >>> >>> conditionally co-dependent, >>> >>> impermanent, >>> >>> and ever-changing, >>> >>> that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable >>> pattern. >>> >>> Within the MoQ, >>> >>> these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, >>> evolutionary, >>> >>> hierarchical >>> structure: >>> intellectual, >>> social, >>> >>> biological, >>> >>> and inorganic. >>> >>> Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns. >>> >>> Patterns have no independent, >>> inherent existence. --- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> p.s. Consider this explanation in the same category as "pure experience" >>> where 'pure' doesn't mean 'pure' but merely 'relatively pure' and there are >>> no accusations of some horrendous, unspeakable, anti-intellectual crime >>> against definition. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> 12 maj 2013 x kl. 23.46 skrev MarshaV: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> J-A, >>>>> >>>>> Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so. It's >>>>> your thought experiment, so explain its point. What are you thinking? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <janander...@telia.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions >>>>>> with YES or NO. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N >>>>>> >>>>>> Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N >>>>>> >>>>>> J-A >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> clay or teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is still in a constant state of changing. In other words, both >>>>>>>>>>>>>> before and after the firing, the clay or teapot is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever-changing. So once again I suggest that you might take a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> few minutes everyday to take an introspective look: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha: >>>>>>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a >>>>>>> contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable >>>>>>> identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing >>>>>>> constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where >>>>>>> everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or >>>>>>> the body with its cells constantly being replaced. Things can change - >>>>>>> flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment >>>>>>> clear I will consider it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>> <janander...@telia.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well Marsha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and >>>>>>>> stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes >>>>>>>> into another, OK? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J-A >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't understand >>>>>>>>> it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>>>> <janander...@telia.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm >>>>>>>>>> and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it >>>>>>>>>> makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because >>>>>>>>>> it is still in a state of change? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> snip... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
