J-A, Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so. It's your thought experiment, so explain its point. What are you thinking?
Marsha On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Marsha > > It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with > YES or NO. > > Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N > > Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N > > J-A > > > >>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or >>>>>>>>> teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and >>>>>>>>> after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a >>>>>>>>> constant state of changing. In other words, both before and after >>>>>>>>> the firing, the clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I >>>>>>>>> suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an >>>>>>>>> introspective look: > >> Marsha: >> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a >> contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable >> identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing constant >> change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone >> drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body with >> its cells constantly being replaced. Things can change - flow - and yet >> have permanence; think of a river. > > > 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV: > >> >> J-A, >> >> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I >> will consider it. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Well Marsha >>> >>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable >>> AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>> >>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes into >>> another, OK? >>> >>> J-A >>> >>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> J-A, >>>> >>>> What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's >>>> point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and >>>>> stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>>> >>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it >>>>> makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is >>>>> still in a state of change? >>>>> >>>>> Jan-Anders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> J-A, >>>>>> >>>>>> I did not write "still in constant change". >>>>>> >>>>>> Before (when soft and malleable), during firing, and after a firing >>>>>> (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of >>>>>> changing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 9, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Would please answer my last question: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change >>>>>>> when the clay is burned? Y/N >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 9 maj 2013 x kl. 09.21 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you do not familiar the process of firing clay, you might think >>>>>>>> about choosing a different example for your attempts at a thought >>>>>>>> experiment. Does your imagining clay firing stay the same? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> YES >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am confused. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO >>>>>>>>> change when the clay is burned? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jan Anders >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 8 maj 2013 x kl. 11.34 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You seem confused, so I've changed the subject line to reflect the >>>>>>>>>> original and more appropriate discussion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or >>>>>>>>>> teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and >>>>>>>>>> after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a >>>>>>>>>> constant state of changing. In other words, both before and after >>>>>>>>>> the firing, the clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I >>>>>>>>>> suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an >>>>>>>>>> introspective look: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from >>>>>>>>>> experience but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating >>>>>>>>>> stale, confusing, static, intellectual attachments of the past." >>>>>>>>>> (LILA, Chapter 9) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> “Introspective observation is what we have to rely on first and >>>>>>>>>> foremost and always. I regard the belief [in introspection] as the >>>>>>>>>> most fundamental of all the postulates of Psychology” >>>>>>>>>> (W. 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