J-A, There never was a point, was there? And now another pointless question?
Mu! Marsha On May 13, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Marsha > > What do you like the writings of Robert M Pirsig? > > J A > > > 13 maj 2013 x kl. 11.05 skrev MarshaV: > >> >> J-A, >> >> What she? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 13, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> So did you like the pattern she created? >>> >>> J A >>> >>> >>> 13 maj 2013 x kl. 10.28 skrev MarshaV: >>> >>>> >>>> J-A, >>>> >>>> Would you now like to lecture me on how you have achieved a similar >>>> performance of beauty, harmony, balance, and how I could too if only I >>>> listen to your wise words? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote: >>>> >>>> How about this >>>> >>>> http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU >>>> >>>> J A >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Greetings J-A, >>>> >>>> On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Marsha >>>>> >>>>> I think you are interested to know its point. >>>> >>>> Is it your habit (pattern) to think you KNOW other people's interests? >>>> That's a rather grandiose claim. - Make your point! >>>> >>>> >>>> Here's my mundane point: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- Static patterns of value are repetitive processes (multiple events), >>>> >>>> conditionally co-dependent, >>>> >>>> impermanent, >>>> >>>> and ever-changing, >>>> >>>> that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable, predictable >>>> pattern. >>>> >>>> Within the MoQ, >>>> >>>> these patterns are morally categorized into a four-level, >>>> evolutionary, >>>> >>>> hierarchical >>>> structure: >>>> intellectual, >>>> social, >>>> >>>> biological, >>>> >>>> and inorganic. >>>> >>>> Static quality exists in stable patterns relative to other patterns. >>>> >>>> Patterns have no independent, >>>> inherent existence. --- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> p.s. Consider this explanation in the same category as "pure experience" >>>> where 'pure' doesn't mean 'pure' but merely 'relatively pure' and there >>>> are no accusations of some horrendous, unspeakable, anti-intellectual >>>> crime against definition. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 12 maj 2013 x kl. 23.46 skrev MarshaV: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> J-A, >>>>>> >>>>>> Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so. >>>>>> It's your thought experiment, so explain its point. What are you >>>>>> thinking? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my >>>>>>> questions with YES or NO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J-A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clay or teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> malleable) and after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is still in a constant state of changing. In other words, both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before and after the firing, the clay or teapot is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever-changing. So once again I suggest that you might take a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few minutes everyday to take an introspective look: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marsha: >>>>>>>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a >>>>>>>> contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, >>>>>>>> stable identity at the same time as they and their context are >>>>>>>> undergoing constant change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade >>>>>>>> (Hume) where everyone drops out but is replaced so that the parade is >>>>>>>> maintained, or the body with its cells constantly being replaced. >>>>>>>> Things can change - flow - and yet have permanence; think of a river. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment >>>>>>>> clear I will consider it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well Marsha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and >>>>>>>>> stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern >>>>>>>>> changes into another, OK? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J-A >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't understand >>>>>>>>>> it's point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm >>>>>>>>>>> and stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because >>>>>>>>>>> it makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter >>>>>>>>>>> because it is still in a state of change? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> snip... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
