Dear Marsha I think you are interested to know its point.
J A 12 maj 2013 x kl. 23.46 skrev MarshaV: > > J-A, > > Answer the Y/N questions yourself; I am not interested in doing so. It's > your thought experiment, so explain its point. What are you thinking? > > > Marsha > > > > > On May 12, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Marsha >> >> It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions >> with YES or NO. >> >> Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N >> >> Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N >> >> J-A >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay or >>>>>>>>>> teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and >>>>>>>>>> after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a >>>>>>>>>> constant state of changing. In other words, both before and after >>>>>>>>>> the firing, the clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I >>>>>>>>>> suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an >>>>>>>>>> introspective look: >> >>> Marsha: >>> I have pointed out many times, it is not anti-intellectual or a >>> contradiction to understand that patterns may maintain a static, stable >>> identity at the same time as they and their context are undergoing constant >>> change. Think of the Ship of Theseus, or a parade (Hume) where everyone >>> drops out but is replaced so that the parade is maintained, or the body >>> with its cells constantly being replaced. Things can change - flow - and >>> yet have permanence; think of a river. >> >> >> 11 maj 2013 x kl. 00.43 skrev MarshaV: >> >>> >>> J-A, >>> >>> Any time you are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I >>> will consider it. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well Marsha >>>> >>>> You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable >>>> AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>> >>>> Do you understand that there is a change? The physical pattern changes >>>> into another, OK? >>>> >>>> J-A >>>> >>>> 10 maj 2013 kl. 10.32 skrev MarshaV: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> J-A, >>>>> >>>>> What potter? - It's your thought experiment and I don't understand it's >>>>> point, so you'd be the person who must answer the questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 10, 2013, at 3:30 AM, Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, you say that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and >>>>>> stable AND still in a constant state of changeing. >>>>>> >>>>>> So why do you think the potter is burning the clay? Is it because it >>>>>> makes the clay firm and stable or doesn't it really matter because it is >>>>>> still in a state of change? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan-Anders >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 10 maj 2013 x kl. 09.12 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did not write "still in constant change". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Before (when soft and malleable), during firing, and after a firing >>>>>>> (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a constant state of >>>>>>> changing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 9, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would please answer my last question: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO change >>>>>>>> when the clay is burned? Y/N >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J A >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 9 maj 2013 x kl. 09.21 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you do not familiar the process of firing clay, you might think >>>>>>>>> about choosing a different example for your attempts at a thought >>>>>>>>> experiment. Does your imagining clay firing stay the same? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Jan Anders Andersson >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> YES >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am confused. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you mean by that "still in constant change" that there is NO >>>>>>>>>> change when the clay is burned? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jan Anders >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 8 maj 2013 x kl. 11.34 skrev MarshaV: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> J-A, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You seem confused, so I've changed the subject line to reflect the >>>>>>>>>>> original and more appropriate discussion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jan-Anders, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The original topic has not been replaced; it was change, not clay >>>>>>>>>>> or teapots or 'saving time'. Before (when soft and malleable) and >>>>>>>>>>> after a firing (when firm and stable), the clay is still in a >>>>>>>>>>> constant state of changing. In other words, both before and after >>>>>>>>>>> the firing, the clay or teapot is ever-changing. So once again I >>>>>>>>>>> suggest that you might take a few minutes everyday to take an >>>>>>>>>>> introspective look: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from >>>>>>>>>>> experience but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating >>>>>>>>>>> stale, confusing, static, intellectual attachments of the past." >>>>>>>>>>> (LILA, Chapter 9) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> “Introspective observation is what we have to rely on first and >>>>>>>>>>> foremost and always. I regard the belief [in introspection] as the >>>>>>>>>>> most fundamental of all the postulates of Psychology” >>>>>>>>>>> (W. 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