And it came to pass that Peter Lairo wrote:
> Christopher Jahn wrote:
>
>> And it came to pass that Peter Lairo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Christopher Jahn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And it came to pass that Niko Pavlicek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Peter Lairo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>[..]
>>>>>>You couldn't be more wrong. For some reason you don't
>>>>>>understand that "marked-as-deleted" messages ARE visible
>>>>>>in the INBOX!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>after reading this message, I must *really* be *totally*
>>>>>wrong!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>No, you're not. Peter is mistaken.
>>>>OR he is speaking of behavior which is platform dependant,
>>>>and it's not a platform either of us are using.
>>>>
>>>>In Windows, "deleting" the message removes it from view in
>>>>the Inbox immediately. And tehy remain unseen until they
>>>>are deleted or restored to the file.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>NO, it may just be a simple misunderstanding. I am talking
>>>about *IMAP* server mail and you seem to be talking about
>>>POP3 server mail.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> There you go - we're comparing apples and oranges.
>>
>>
>>>The option "mark as deleted" does not exist for POP
>>>servers. For imap servers, it is under Edite - Mail/News
>>>Account Settings - Server Settings - When I delete a
>>>message: "Mark it as deleted".
>>>
>>>So now you see, we are both right, BUT you had no business
>>>giving an opinion on something you didn't understand (you
>>>never even knew what the "mark as deleted" setting is).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> As I have not had occasion to USE IMAP, you are correct - I
>> would not know the settings; they do not appear with POP3
>> accounts. After all, POP3 is different than IMAP.
>>
>> And after all, this *is* a discussion about POP3 servers.
>>
>> Which DO NOT have a "mark as deleted" option.
>>
>> With no "mark as deleted' option, there are no "red
>> exclamation points"
>>
>> With no "Mark as Read" option, the messages are NOT visible
>> in the Inbox.
>>
>> So Peter, YOU are the one who has "no business giving an
>> opinion", as you could not even understand that we were not
>> discussing IMAP servers and their attendant functions.
>>
>> Unless you can show some relevance in emphasizing IMAP
>> functions in a POP3 discussion?
>>
>>
>
>
> I can point to SEVERAL locations (~10) in this thread that
> refer to "marked as deleted" which is an IMAP-only issue.
Peter, you are wrong again. YOu should really READ the post,
instead of skimming and jumping to conlusions.
While the COMMAND "Mark for Deletion" is an IMAP issue, the
FUNCTION "mark for deletion" is not.
Here's a quote from Jay, who tried to explain the Trash Bin
several times:
> 1. Messages deleted in mail do not go to the recycle bin,
> there is NO functionality between deleting messages and the
> recycle bin whatsoever.
>
> 2. Messages deleted in the inbox or other folders OTHER than
> "trash" are not deleted, they are MARKED for deletion and
> henceforth reside in the TRASH folder.
>
> 3. Emptying TRASH deletes messages that were MARKED for
> deletion. These deleted messages do NOT go to the "recycle
> bin". They are gone to magnetic heaven.
>
> 4. Compacting Folders has nothing whatsoever to do with
> deleting messages or marking messages for deletion. It is a
> totally unrelated feature.
Jay is correct; in the POP3 inbox, when a message body is
deleted, the body REMAINS in the mailbox, but is no longer
viewable there. Netscape MARKS THE MESSAGE BODY FOR DELETION
from the Inbox. The message is physically in the box, with the
header marked so it no longer is viewed in the inbox, but
appears to be in the Trash Bin. When the Trash Bin is dumped,
it compacts the folder with messages so marked.
Which you would know if you'd actually read the discussion.
Instead, you assumed that EVERY OTHER PERSON in this discussion,
INCLUDING a Netscape Champion, were wrong.
You got chutzpah, that's for sure
> Can you point to nearly as many messages where "POP" is
> mentioned (i counted about 3)? I don't think so.
>
The critcial quote from Pratik, the person who posed the initial
issue and started this discussion:
"Why? I use POP mail and leave messages on server"
THAT is a pretty clear indication that this is a disussion about
POP servers.
> Therefore, the interpretation of this thread as a "mark as
> deleted" (imap) discussion is far more logical than that of
> a pop-only discussion, which has zero relevance to
> "mark-as-deleted". So there ;)
Except, as is becoming habitual for you, that you're wrong.
The only person who beleived at any time that this was a
discussion about IMAP is you.
Heck, all you had to do was to read THIS, again from Pratik:
> The problem is with POP mail. I use multiple computers to
> check email and without leaving them on the server, there's
> no way for me to do this. The sysadmins are planning to
> move to IMAP, so my problem should go away when they do
> that.
THAT is a very clear indication that this is a POP3 issue.
> Actually, all chest-pounding aside, I think it just wasn't
> clear during the whole discussion what exactly the
> issue/problem was.
All you had to do was read; I clarified the problem on Friday.
It only became confusing when YOU started claiming that messages
marked for deletion in a POP3 mail folder remained visible in
the folder, when they clearly do not. AND it only got worse
when YOU insisted that everyone else was wrong about this
behaviour.
> Now the issue remains
> (for me): *Please don't delete messages in my IMAP inbox
> that are marked for deletion when i empty my trash*.
Except that that was NEVER the issue; Pratik's concern was about
POP3.
He believed that when he chose the preference "delete from
server when message is deleted locally" occurred only when the
message was dumped from the trash bin.
In fact, the message is removed from the server when the message
is SENT to the trash bin. Which gives you a chance to change
your mind. Which is the correct behavior for Netscape 6 and the
Trash Bin.
This whole thing would have been far easier if you hadn't come
in halfway throught the discussion, leaped to erroneous
conclusions, and then started flaming those of us who actually
knew what was going on.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
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