Christopher Jahn wrote:
>
> And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
>
> > Christopher Jahn wrote:
> >>
> >> And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
> >>
> >> > Pratik wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Christopher Jahn wrote: <snip>
> >> >>
> >> >> >>I want them eliminated from the server, thats why.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's my understanding that they are removed when you
> >> >> > delete the message to the Trash Bin. Emptying the
> >> >> > Trash Bin should have no effect on your server -
> >> >> > that's a disk issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> If this is the case then my problem is solved. But I
> >> >> suspect this is not the case. I always thought I had to
> >> >> Empty Trash to have the messages deleted from the
> >> >> server.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>like the fact that it also compacts although from the
> >> >> >>sound of it, I think I might have to live with it (But
> >> >> >>*please* give me a pref to turn it off).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>In fact while at this, it might be really nice to say,
> >> >> >>'delete this mail with huge attachment from the server
> >> >> >>but leave it in my inbox bcos its important'.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why not remove it from the server when you download it
> >> >> > in the first place? Most sysadmins would prefer you
> >> >> > do this.
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is with POP mail. I use multiple computers
> >> >> to check email and without leaving them on the server,
> >> >> there's no way for me to do this. The sysadmins are
> >> >> planning to move to IMAP, so my problem should go away
> >> >> when they do that.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>Compacting folders does nothing more than it claims,
> >> >> >>>it does NOT mark for deletion nor does it eliminate
> >> >> >>>messages, they are still there and readable after you
> >> >> >>>compact folders.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>I think you are confused as to the functionality of
> >> >> >>>both the features.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I am actually a little confused by your statement. Let
> >> >> >>me rephrase and you can tell me if I am right
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Compacting Folders -> Remove all messages that are
> >> >> >>marked deleted in the folder. Those messages might
> >> >> >>exist in Trash but thats okay.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Empty Trash -> Remove all messages from Trash and
> >> >> >>compact all folders where the messages were initially.
> >> >> >>e.g. if Trash had 1 message that was initially in
> >> >> >>Inbox, delete message and compact Inbox. If Trash had
> >> >> >>1 message that was initially in folder X (because I
> >> >> >>had used Filters), then delete message and compact
> >> >> >>Folder X.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>So far so good?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Now, my only problem is that I don't like the idea of
> >> >> >>Empty Trash doing compaction as well. I'd much rather
> >> >> >>keep them separate.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Make sense?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nope. It defies logic. The whole point of emptying
> >> >> > the trash is to completely eradicate the message
> >> >> > forever. If you don't want to do this, don't empty
> >> >> > the trash.
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay fine. I disagree with you but I'll cave in if
> >> >> Mozilla deletes the messages from server when I delete
> >> >> them from Inbox and not when I Empty Trash.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Pratik (still wishing there was a pref for this).
> >> >
> >> > Ok, lets try this again ....
> >> >
> >> > 1. Messages deleted in mail do not go to the recycle bin,
> >> > there is NO functionality between deleting messages and
> >> > the recycle bin whatsoever.
> >> >
> >> > 2. Messages deleted in the inbox or other folders OTHER
> >> > than "trash" are not deleted, they are MARKED for
> >> > deletion and henceforth reside in the TRASH folder.
> >>
> >> Recycle? Where'd that enter this discussion? No one is
> >> disputing the action of the TRASH folder. Pratik is aware
> >> ofit, as am I.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 3. Emptying TRASH deletes messages that were MARKED for
> >> > deletion. These deleted messages do NOT go to the
> >> > "recycle bin". They are gone to magnetic heaven.
> >>
> >> AGain with the recycle bin!
> >>
> >> And again, this is not in contention - this is what
> >> happens, and Pratik acknowledges it. In fact, this is his
> >> complaint.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 4. Compacting Folders has nothing whatsoever to do with
> >> > deleting messages or marking messages for deletion. It is
> >> > a totally unrelated feature.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Again, not a point of contention.
> >>
> >> What Pratik is complaining about is that when he empties
> >> the trash, those messages go away. What he is looking to
> >> do is to remove messages from the server, but leave them in
> >> the Trash Bin.
> >>
> >> So the question is really this:
> >>
> >> When the Preferences is to delete the message on the server
> >> when the message is deleted locally, is it deleted when the
> >> message is moved to the Trash Bin, or only when the Trash
> >> Bin is emptied?
> >>
> >> --
> >> }:-) Christopher Jahn
> >> {:-( Dionysian Reveler
> >>
> >> Take the skin and peel it back... now doesn't it make you
> >> feel better?
> >>
> >> To reply: xjahnATyahooDOTcom
> >
> > Ok, Trash Bin / Recycle Bin .. Many of my clients call the
> > "Recycle Bin" the "Trash Bin". Whatever ..... You're
> > speaking of the TRASH FOLDER, gotcha.
> >
> > When you delete a message locally it is marked for deletion
> > and if you have the pref "delete from server" it is "marked
> > for deletion locally and deleted from the server". Those
> > messages still reside in the TRASH FOLDER until "emptied".
> >
> >
>
> But they are gone from the server BEFORE the Trash Bin is
> emptied, right?
>
> In other words, I have the message in my inbox and my server,
> when I delete the message to the trash bin, it is removed from
> the server and is no longer appearing in the Inbox, but is still
> in the Trash Bin.
>
> --
> }:-) Christopher Jahn
> {:-( Dionysian Reveler
>
> When we talk about property, state, masters, government, laws,
> courts, and police, we say only that we don't want any of them.
>
> To reply: xjahnATyahooDOTcom
Deleting a message locally will delete it from the server ONLY if the
preference to "leave messages on the server" is checked/enabled. And
yes, if a message is deleted locally AND the server, the message resides
in the Trash Folder AFTER it is deleted from the server. At least that's
what I experience here.
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