And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
> Christopher Jahn wrote:
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>> And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
>> > Christopher Jahn wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Pratik wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Christopher Jahn wrote: <snip>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I want them eliminated from the server, thats why.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It's my understanding that they are removed when
>> >> >> > you delete the message to the Trash Bin. Emptying
>> >> >> > the Trash Bin should have no effect on your server
>> >> >> > - that's a disk issue.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If this is the case then my problem is solved. But I
>> >> >> suspect this is not the case. I always thought I had
>> >> >> to Empty Trash to have the messages deleted from the
>> >> >> server.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>like the fact that it also compacts although from
>> >> >> >>the sound of it, I think I might have to live with
>> >> >> >>it (But *please* give me a pref to turn it off).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>In fact while at this, it might be really nice to
>> >> >> >>say, 'delete this mail with huge attachment from
>> >> >> >>the server but leave it in my inbox bcos its
>> >> >> >>important'.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Why not remove it from the server when you download
>> >> >> > it in the first place? Most sysadmins would prefer
>> >> >> > you do this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The problem is with POP mail. I use multiple
>> >> >> computers to check email and without leaving them on
>> >> >> the server, there's no way for me to do this. The
>> >> >> sysadmins are planning to move to IMAP, so my problem
>> >> >> should go away when they do that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Compacting folders does nothing more than it
>> >> >> >>>claims, it does NOT mark for deletion nor does it
>> >> >> >>>eliminate messages, they are still there and
>> >> >> >>>readable after you compact folders.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>I think you are confused as to the functionality
>> >> >> >>>of both the features.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I am actually a little confused by your statement.
>> >> >> >>Let me rephrase and you can tell me if I am right
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Compacting Folders -> Remove all messages that are
>> >> >> >>marked deleted in the folder. Those messages might
>> >> >> >>exist in Trash but thats okay.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Empty Trash -> Remove all messages from Trash and
>> >> >> >>compact all folders where the messages were
>> >> >> >>initially. e.g. if Trash had 1 message that was
>> >> >> >>initially in Inbox, delete message and compact
>> >> >> >>Inbox. If Trash had 1 message that was initially in
>> >> >> >>folder X (because I had used Filters), then delete
>> >> >> >>message and compact Folder X.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>So far so good?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Now, my only problem is that I don't like the idea
>> >> >> >>of Empty Trash doing compaction as well. I'd much
>> >> >> >>rather keep them separate.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Make sense?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Nope. It defies logic. The whole point of
>> >> >> > emptying the trash is to completely eradicate the
>> >> >> > message forever. If you don't want to do this,
>> >> >> > don't empty the trash.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Okay fine. I disagree with you but I'll cave in if
>> >> >> Mozilla deletes the messages from server when I
>> >> >> delete them from Inbox and not when I Empty Trash.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Pratik (still wishing there was a pref for this).
>> >> >
>> >> > Ok, lets try this again ....
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Messages deleted in mail do not go to the recycle
>> >> > bin, there is NO functionality between deleting
>> >> > messages and the recycle bin whatsoever.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. Messages deleted in the inbox or other folders
>> >> > OTHER than "trash" are not deleted, they are MARKED
>> >> > for deletion and henceforth reside in the TRASH
>> >> > folder.
>> >>
>> >> Recycle? Where'd that enter this discussion? No one is
>> >> disputing the action of the TRASH folder. Pratik is
>> >> aware ofit, as am I.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > 3. Emptying TRASH deletes messages that were MARKED
>> >> > for deletion. These deleted messages do NOT go to the
>> >> > "recycle bin". They are gone to magnetic heaven.
>> >>
>> >> AGain with the recycle bin!
>> >>
>> >> And again, this is not in contention - this is what
>> >> happens, and Pratik acknowledges it. In fact, this is
>> >> his complaint.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > 4. Compacting Folders has nothing whatsoever to do
>> >> > with deleting messages or marking messages for
>> >> > deletion. It is a totally unrelated feature.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Again, not a point of contention.
>> >>
>> >> What Pratik is complaining about is that when he empties
>> >> the trash, those messages go away. What he is looking
>> >> to do is to remove messages from the server, but leave
>> >> them in the Trash Bin.
>> >>
>> >> So the question is really this:
>> >>
>> >> When the Preferences is to delete the message on the
>> >> server when the message is deleted locally, is it
>> >> deleted when the message is moved to the Trash Bin, or
>> >> only when the Trash Bin is emptied?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> }:-) Christopher Jahn
>> >> {:-( Dionysian Reveler
>> >>
>> >> Take the skin and peel it back... now doesn't it make
>> >> you feel better?
>> >>
>> >> To reply: xjahnATyahooDOTcom
>> >
>> > Ok, Trash Bin / Recycle Bin .. Many of my clients call
>> > the "Recycle Bin" the "Trash Bin". Whatever ..... You're
>> > speaking of the TRASH FOLDER, gotcha.
>> >
>> > When you delete a message locally it is marked for
>> > deletion and if you have the pref "delete from server" it
>> > is "marked for deletion locally and deleted from the
>> > server". Those messages still reside in the TRASH FOLDER
>> > until "emptied".
>> >
>> >
>>
>> But they are gone from the server BEFORE the Trash Bin is
>> emptied, right?
>>
>> In other words, I have the message in my inbox and my
>> server, when I delete the message to the trash bin, it is
>> removed from the server and is no longer appearing in the
>> Inbox, but is still in the Trash Bin.
>>
>
> Deleting a message locally will delete it from the server
> ONLY if the preference to "leave messages on the server" is
> checked/enabled. And yes, if a message is deleted locally
> AND the server, the message resides in the Trash Folder
> AFTER it is deleted from the server. At least that's what I
> experience here.
THAT's the answer I'm looking for.
OK, Pratik? You can put your mail back before emptying the
Trash, and all will be right with the world.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( Dionysian Reveler
We could do that, but it would be wrong, that's for sure.
To reply: xjahnATyahooDOTcom
