And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
> Christopher Jahn wrote:
>>
>> And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
>>
>> > Pratik wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Christopher Jahn wrote: <snip>
>> >>
>> >> >>I want them eliminated from the server, thats why.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > It's my understanding that they are removed when you
>> >> > delete the message to the Trash Bin. Emptying the
>> >> > Trash Bin should have no effect on your server -
>> >> > that's a disk issue.
>> >>
>> >> If this is the case then my problem is solved. But I
>> >> suspect this is not the case. I always thought I had to
>> >> Empty Trash to have the messages deleted from the
>> >> server.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't
>> >> >
>> >> >>like the fact that it also compacts although from the
>> >> >>sound of it, I think I might have to live with it (But
>> >> >>*please* give me a pref to turn it off).
>> >> >>
>> >> >>In fact while at this, it might be really nice to say,
>> >> >>'delete this mail with huge attachment from the server
>> >> >>but leave it in my inbox bcos its important'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Why not remove it from the server when you download it
>> >> > in the first place? Most sysadmins would prefer you
>> >> > do this.
>> >>
>> >> The problem is with POP mail. I use multiple computers
>> >> to check email and without leaving them on the server,
>> >> there's no way for me to do this. The sysadmins are
>> >> planning to move to IMAP, so my problem should go away
>> >> when they do that.
>> >>
>> >> >>>Compacting folders does nothing more than it claims,
>> >> >>>it does NOT mark for deletion nor does it eliminate
>> >> >>>messages, they are still there and readable after you
>> >> >>>compact folders.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>I think you are confused as to the functionality of
>> >> >>>both the features.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I am actually a little confused by your statement. Let
>> >> >>me rephrase and you can tell me if I am right
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Compacting Folders -> Remove all messages that are
>> >> >>marked deleted in the folder. Those messages might
>> >> >>exist in Trash but thats okay.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Empty Trash -> Remove all messages from Trash and
>> >> >>compact all folders where the messages were initially.
>> >> >>e.g. if Trash had 1 message that was initially in
>> >> >>Inbox, delete message and compact Inbox. If Trash had
>> >> >>1 message that was initially in folder X (because I
>> >> >>had used Filters), then delete message and compact
>> >> >>Folder X.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>So far so good?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Now, my only problem is that I don't like the idea of
>> >> >>Empty Trash doing compaction as well. I'd much rather
>> >> >>keep them separate.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Make sense?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Nope. It defies logic. The whole point of emptying
>> >> > the trash is to completely eradicate the message
>> >> > forever. If you don't want to do this, don't empty
>> >> > the trash.
>> >>
>> >> Okay fine. I disagree with you but I'll cave in if
>> >> Mozilla deletes the messages from server when I delete
>> >> them from Inbox and not when I Empty Trash.
>> >>
>> >> - Pratik (still wishing there was a pref for this).
>> >
>> > Ok, lets try this again ....
>> >
>> > 1. Messages deleted in mail do not go to the recycle bin,
>> > there is NO functionality between deleting messages and
>> > the recycle bin whatsoever.
>> >
>> > 2. Messages deleted in the inbox or other folders OTHER
>> > than "trash" are not deleted, they are MARKED for
>> > deletion and henceforth reside in the TRASH folder.
>>
>> Recycle? Where'd that enter this discussion? No one is
>> disputing the action of the TRASH folder. Pratik is aware
>> ofit, as am I.
>>
>> >
>> > 3. Emptying TRASH deletes messages that were MARKED for
>> > deletion. These deleted messages do NOT go to the
>> > "recycle bin". They are gone to magnetic heaven.
>>
>> AGain with the recycle bin!
>>
>> And again, this is not in contention - this is what
>> happens, and Pratik acknowledges it. In fact, this is his
>> complaint.
>>
>> >
>> > 4. Compacting Folders has nothing whatsoever to do with
>> > deleting messages or marking messages for deletion. It is
>> > a totally unrelated feature.
>> >
>>
>> Again, not a point of contention.
>>
>> What Pratik is complaining about is that when he empties
>> the trash, those messages go away. What he is looking to
>> do is to remove messages from the server, but leave them in
>> the Trash Bin.
>>
>> So the question is really this:
>>
>> When the Preferences is to delete the message on the server
>> when the message is deleted locally, is it deleted when the
>> message is moved to the Trash Bin, or only when the Trash
>> Bin is emptied?
>>
>> --
>> }:-) Christopher Jahn
>> {:-( Dionysian Reveler
>>
>> Take the skin and peel it back... now doesn't it make you
>> feel better?
>>
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>
> Ok, Trash Bin / Recycle Bin .. Many of my clients call the
> "Recycle Bin" the "Trash Bin". Whatever ..... You're
> speaking of the TRASH FOLDER, gotcha.
>
> When you delete a message locally it is marked for deletion
> and if you have the pref "delete from server" it is "marked
> for deletion locally and deleted from the server". Those
> messages still reside in the TRASH FOLDER until "emptied".
>
>
But they are gone from the server BEFORE the Trash Bin is
emptied, right?
In other words, I have the message in my inbox and my server,
when I delete the message to the trash bin, it is removed from
the server and is no longer appearing in the Inbox, but is still
in the Trash Bin.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( Dionysian Reveler
When we talk about property, state, masters, government, laws,
courts, and police, we say only that we don't want any of them.
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