Christopher Jahn wrote:
> And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
>
>
>>Christopher Jahn wrote:
>>
>>>And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Christopher Jahn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And it came to pass that Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Pratik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Christopher Jahn wrote: <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I want them eliminated from the server, thats why.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's my understanding that they are removed when
>>>>>>>>you delete the message to the Trash Bin. Emptying
>>>>>>>>the Trash Bin should have no effect on your server
>>>>>>>>- that's a disk issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If this is the case then my problem is solved. But I
>>>>>>>suspect this is not the case. I always thought I had
>>>>>>>to Empty Trash to have the messages deleted from the
>>>>>>>server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>like the fact that it also compacts although from
>>>>>>>>>the sound of it, I think I might have to live with
>>>>>>>>>it (But *please* give me a pref to turn it off).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In fact while at this, it might be really nice to
>>>>>>>>>say, 'delete this mail with huge attachment from
>>>>>>>>>the server but leave it in my inbox bcos its
>>>>>>>>>important'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why not remove it from the server when you download
>>>>>>>>it in the first place? Most sysadmins would prefer
>>>>>>>>you do this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The problem is with POP mail. I use multiple
>>>>>>>computers to check email and without leaving them on
>>>>>>>the server, there's no way for me to do this. The
>>>>>>>sysadmins are planning to move to IMAP, so my problem
>>>>>>>should go away when they do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Compacting folders does nothing more than it
>>>>>>>>>>claims, it does NOT mark for deletion nor does it
>>>>>>>>>>eliminate messages, they are still there and
>>>>>>>>>>readable after you compact folders.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I think you are confused as to the functionality
>>>>>>>>>>of both the features.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am actually a little confused by your statement.
>>>>>>>>>Let me rephrase and you can tell me if I am right
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Compacting Folders -> Remove all messages that are
>>>>>>>>>marked deleted in the folder. Those messages might
>>>>>>>>>exist in Trash but thats okay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Empty Trash -> Remove all messages from Trash and
>>>>>>>>>compact all folders where the messages were
>>>>>>>>>initially. e.g. if Trash had 1 message that was
>>>>>>>>>initially in Inbox, delete message and compact
>>>>>>>>>Inbox. If Trash had 1 message that was initially in
>>>>>>>>>folder X (because I had used Filters), then delete
>>>>>>>>>message and compact Folder X.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So far so good?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Now, my only problem is that I don't like the idea
>>>>>>>>>of Empty Trash doing compaction as well. I'd much
>>>>>>>>>rather keep them separate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Make sense?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nope. It defies logic. The whole point of
>>>>>>>>emptying the trash is to completely eradicate the
>>>>>>>>message forever. If you don't want to do this,
>>>>>>>>don't empty the trash.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Okay fine. I disagree with you but I'll cave in if
>>>>>>>Mozilla deletes the messages from server when I
>>>>>>>delete them from Inbox and not when I Empty Trash.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- Pratik (still wishing there was a pref for this).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok, lets try this again ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Messages deleted in mail do not go to the recycle
>>>>>>bin, there is NO functionality between deleting
>>>>>>messages and the recycle bin whatsoever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. Messages deleted in the inbox or other folders
>>>>>>OTHER than "trash" are not deleted, they are MARKED
>>>>>>for deletion and henceforth reside in the TRASH
>>>>>>folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Recycle? Where'd that enter this discussion? No one is
>>>>>disputing the action of the TRASH folder. Pratik is
>>>>>aware ofit, as am I.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>3. Emptying TRASH deletes messages that were MARKED
>>>>>>for deletion. These deleted messages do NOT go to the
>>>>>>"recycle bin". They are gone to magnetic heaven.
>>>>>>
>>>>>AGain with the recycle bin!
>>>>>
>>>>>And again, this is not in contention - this is what
>>>>>happens, and Pratik acknowledges it. In fact, this is
>>>>>his complaint.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>4. Compacting Folders has nothing whatsoever to do
>>>>>>with deleting messages or marking messages for
>>>>>>deletion. It is a totally unrelated feature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Again, not a point of contention.
>>>>>
>>>>>What Pratik is complaining about is that when he empties
>>>>>the trash, those messages go away. What he is looking
>>>>>to do is to remove messages from the server, but leave
>>>>>them in the Trash Bin.
>>>>>
>>>>>So the question is really this:
>>>>>
>>>>>When the Preferences is to delete the message on the
>>>>>server when the message is deleted locally, is it
>>>>>deleted when the message is moved to the Trash Bin, or
>>>>>only when the Trash Bin is emptied?
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>}:-) Christopher Jahn
>>>>>{:-( Dionysian Reveler
>>>>>
>>>>>Take the skin and peel it back... now doesn't it make
>>>>>you feel better?
>>>>>
>>>>>To reply: xjahnATyahooDOTcom
>>>>>
>>>>Ok, Trash Bin / Recycle Bin .. Many of my clients call
>>>>the "Recycle Bin" the "Trash Bin". Whatever ..... You're
>>>>speaking of the TRASH FOLDER, gotcha.
>>>>
>>>>When you delete a message locally it is marked for
>>>>deletion and if you have the pref "delete from server" it
>>>>is "marked for deletion locally and deleted from the
>>>>server". Those messages still reside in the TRASH FOLDER
>>>>until "emptied".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>But they are gone from the server BEFORE the Trash Bin is
>>>emptied, right?
>>>
>>>In other words, I have the message in my inbox and my
>>>server, when I delete the message to the trash bin, it is
>>>removed from the server and is no longer appearing in the
>>>Inbox, but is still in the Trash Bin.
>>>
>>>
>>Deleting a message locally will delete it from the server
>>ONLY if the preference to "leave messages on the server" is
>>checked/enabled. And yes, if a message is deleted locally
>>AND the server, the message resides in the Trash Folder
>>AFTER it is deleted from the server. At least that's what I
>>experience here.
>>
>
> THAT's the answer I'm looking for.
>
> OK, Pratik? You can put your mail back before emptying the
> Trash, and all will be right with the world.
Yup, this solves my problem. I still wish that Compacting and Emptying
Trash were separate operations but my main problem of deleting mails off
the server is solved. I double checked it right now. Deleted a mail on a
linux machine and then got mail on a different Windows machine and the
mail didn't show up as expected.
Thanks.
Pratik.
