The reasons it did not stay on the group@ forum are:
(a) The group forum is, as Rasmus said, only for bureaucratic issues;  It's 
no longer a 'higher court' of the developer team, as it used to be.
(b) It has gone up in the group forum, several times, in the past, and did 
not help.

I generally agree with the points you made.  Perhaps it the group forum 
changed to be more representative of the PHP development community, or PHP 
community in general, as was suggested by Jani and James in the past, then 
it would have been a more appropriate forum to discuss it in.


At 23:29 9/7/2001, André Langhorst wrote:
>>This appears to me to be a problem between you and him and not something
>>that needs to be discussed on php-dev.  As far as I am concerned, Sascha
>>is one of the PHP project's biggest assets and I just don't see how an
>>all-out public attack on him like this is in any way constructive.
>I only step into this discussion because I foresaw that the first mail 
>would result in a flame.
>It would have been probably more adequate wihout a stone-coat as opposed 
>to a lack of a sugar-coat.
> From an outsiders-POV you can imagine how hard it would be not to treat 
> this as a personal attack and I can understand Zeev defends himself (even 
> with a kind of counter-attack) as I can see valid expressed worries from 
> saschas POV (although I cannot speak for him).
>As I do not want to (and probably am not able to) judge who has (more) 
>valid points the only conclusion can be: this should have been kept on 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] As it's to late now let's memorize it for the future.
>Regardless of that, for both of you is valid that flames leave traces (the 
>lists are monitored, as you know) and regardless of it's bad for one or 
>the other it is *bad for the reputation of the community*. I really would 
>like to see these issues (eg. how much the licenses restrict people) 
>settled with care, regardless of who you are and what you achieved and 
>contributed to the community.
>For sure, these issues need to be discussed as people are concerned, GPL 
>is evil, QPL is evil, maybe LPGL and PHP license are evil, who knows, but 
>community is community and the behaviour of group members should be 
>ps. don't try to find a bias for one of both parties, I tried to remain as 
>much neutral as possible.
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