Wong gemblung Yusfiq gak bisa njelasin kenapa kalau anggur putih kok ada keterangan:
1.Tunduk pandang dan bermata jeli. 2.Tidak pernah mens. 3.Segelnya renewable. 4.Belum pernah disentuh oleh manusia dan jin. Paulus anak wedus. --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> wrote: > > > Tawang memang orang gila... > > Yang membuktikan bahwa kata "huri" itu artinya buah anggur putih adalah > peneliti ilmiah... > > Sedangkan yang bilang kata huri itu artinya bidadari adalah orang-orang dungu > yagnakanjing yagn tidak berpendidikan... > > > --- In [email protected], "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> wrote: > > > > Kenapa kamu kok selalu ingin membawa terjemahan bidadari menjadi anggur > > putih,opo takut pengin kalau saya nanti dikitari 72 supermodel? > > Lawong ayat lain disebut: > > > > 1.Tunduk pandang,bermata jeli. > > 2.Tidak pernah mens. > > 3.Setiap habis berhubungan segelnya renewable. > > Anggur opo yg segelnya perlu di renewable,atau yg bermata jeli. > > Luxenburg Luling itu wong guwing ,ngira kalau surga itu bidadarinya tuwo > > kayak Marlene. > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tawang itu emang gila... > > > > > > Orang bicara tentang arti berbagai kata di khurafah najis al-Mushaf > > > susunan orang Arab priitif dia bicara masaalah "bahasa Arab sehari2 itu > > > berbeda dg bhs Arab yg diajarkan di pondok Gontor atau IAIN," > > > > > > Tawang ini memang orang gila, sama gilanya dengan johny-indon... > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> wrote: > > > > > > > > La memang bahasa Arab sehari2 itu berbeda dg bhs Arab yg diajarkan di > > > > pondok Gontor atau IAIN,tapi wong Arab bisa nangkap juga kalau diajak > > > > ngomong alumni Gontor. > > > > > > > > Paulus anak wedus. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bagi Muslim yg jujur, yg ingin mengetahui apakah ayat2nya berasal > > > > > dari Allah atau dari manusia, silakan membaca hasil riset Luxemberg. > > > > > Risetnya berjudul 'Kata2 asing dalam Al Qur'an.' > > > > > > > > > > Umat Islam haqul-yakin bhw Bahasa Arab yg dipakai untuk menyampaikan > > > > > perintah Allah dan yg kemudian dituliskan menjadi Al Qur'an itu > > > > > adalah bahasa yg paling baik, paling lengkap, bahasa sorgawi. Ini > > > > > merupakan alasan mgengapa ayat2 Al Qur'an harus dilafalkan dlm bahasa > > > > > aslinya. > > > > > > > > > > Luxemberg dlm researchnya menemukan lebih dari 200 kata asing (kata2 > > > > > berasal dari bahasa manusia, bukan dari sorga) yg dipakai dlm al > > > > > Qur'an. Banyak kata2 itu asalnya Bahasa Persia (misalnya, firdaus, > > > > > janna, jahanam, dst.), bahasa Yahudi (misalnya: Messsiah menjadi Al > > > > > Masih), dari bahasa Yunani Koine (misalnya: Injil dari salah ucap > > > > > orang2 Kristen Arab "Eaugenlion" = Kabar sukacita) dan bahkan bahasa > > > > > Ethiopia ( misalnya: hawariyun). Ini jelas membuktikan bhw Bahasa al > > > > > Qur'an bukan bahasa yg sempurna, bukan bahasa sorgawi! > > > > > > > > > > Sebenarnya pd th. 1938Prof. Arthur Jeffreys dari London sudah > > > > > mengumpulkan kata2 asing yang ada di dalam Al Qur'an.. Luxemburg > > > > > menemukan kata2 Syriac (dialek Timur dari bahasa Aram = bahasanya > > > > > Yesus) yg rupanya salah dimengerti dan diterjemahkan secara salah > > > > > pula. Salah satu kata itu ialah 'hurin' yg arti aslinya setundun > > > > > 'anggur warna putih - translucent'. Mula2 penterjemah yg tidak tahu > > > > > arti sebenarnya menterjemahkannya sebagai 'bidadari perawan abadi'. > > > > > Begitu juga kata 'rawaj' (= disegarkan) yg dalam tulisannya sangat > > > > > mirip dengan kata ;sawaj' - 'kawin/dikawinkan'. > > > > > > > > > > Jadi seebenarnya yg dijanjikan kepada Muslim yg mati syuhada > > > > > adalah: 'Disegarkan oleh setundun anggur putih' tapi karena salah > > > > > terjemahannya menjadi 'dikawinkan dengan sejumlah bidadari' > > > > > > > > > > Kasihan benar semua yg mati syuhada, yg mati bom bunuh diri termasuk > > > > > Amrozi, Imam Samudra, Dr. Umar Top (Malaysian) kalau mereka diijinkan > > > > > masuk Janna, mereka hanya diegarkan oleh setundun anggur putis' dan > > > > > tidak 'dikawinkan dg sejumlah bidadari'. OomTawangalun yg juga > > > > > berharap dapat ngerjain 72 bidadari (super model) akan sangat kuciwa. > > > > > > > > > > Itulah sedihnya kalau orang dungu menyontek, akibatnya menjadikan > > > > > ribuan Muslim terperosok janji kosong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013 2:53 AM > > > > > Subject: [proletar] The Guardian (Warraq) : Virgins? What virgins? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5 > > > > > > > > > > Culture > > > > > Books > > > > > > > > > > Ibn Warraq > > > > > The Guardian, Saturday 12 January 2002 > > > > > > > > > > Virgins? What virgins? > > > > > > > > > > It is widely believed that Muslim 'martyrs' enjoy rich sensual > > > > > rewards on reaching paradise. A new study suggests they may be > > > > > disappointed. Ibn Warraq reports > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In August, 2001, the American television channel CBS aired an > > > > > interview with a Hamas activist Muhammad Abu Wardeh, who recruited > > > > > terrorists for suicide bombings in Israel. Abu Wardeh was quoted as > > > > > saying: "I described to him how God would compensate the martyr for > > > > > sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will > > > > > give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness." Wardeh was > > > > > in fact shortchanging his recruits since the rewards in Paradise for > > > > > martyrs was 72 virgins. But I am running ahead of things . > > > > > > > > > > Since September 11, news stories have repeated the story of suicide > > > > > bombers and their heavenly rewards, and equally Muslim scholars and > > > > > Western apologists of Islam have repeated that suicide is forbidden > > > > > in Islam. Suicide (qatlu nafsi-hi) is not referred to in the Koran > > > > > but is indeed forbidden in the Traditions (Hadith in Arabic), which > > > > > are the collected sayings and doings attributed to the Prophet and > > > > > traced back to him through a series of putatively trustworthy > > > > > witnesses. They include what was done in his presence that he did not > > > > > forbid, and even the authoritative sayings and doings of his > > > > > companions. > > > > > > > > > > But the Hamas spokesman correctly uses the word martyr (shahid) and > > > > > not suicide bomber, since those who blow themselves up almost daily > > > > > in Israel and those who died on September 11 were dying in the > > > > > noblest of all causes, Jihad, which is an incumbent religious duty, > > > > > established in the Koran and in the Traditions as a divine > > > > > institution, and enjoined for the purpose of advancing Islam. While > > > > > suicide is forbidden, martyrdom is everywhere praised, welcomed, and > > > > > urged: "By the Being in Whose Hand is my life, I love that I should > > > > > be killed in the way of Allah; then I should be brought back to life > > > > > and be killed again in His way..."; "The Prophet said, 'Nobody who > > > > > enters Paradise will ever like to return to this world even if he > > > > > were offered everything, except the martyr who will desire to return > > > > > to this world and be killed 10 times for the sake of the great honour > > > > > that has been bestowed upon him'." [Sahih Muslim, chapters 781, 782, > > > > > The Merit of Jihad and the > > > > > Merit of Martyrdom.] > > > > > > > > > > What of the rewards in paradise? The Islamic paradise is described in > > > > > great sensual detail in the Koran and the Traditions; for instance, > > > > > Koran sura 56 verses 12 -40 ; sura 55 verses 54-56 ; sura 76 verses > > > > > 12-22. I shall quote the celebrated Penguin translation by NJ Dawood > > > > > of sura 56 verses 12- 39: "They shall recline on jewelled couches > > > > > face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls > > > > > and ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their > > > > > heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice > > > > > and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the > > > > > dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their > > > > > deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, loving > > > > > companions for those on the right hand..." > > > > > > > > > > One should note that most translations, even those by Muslims > > > > > themselves such as A Yusuf Ali, and the British Muslim Marmaduke > > > > > Pickthall, translate the Arabic (plural) word Abkarun as virgins, as > > > > > do well-known lexicons such the one by John Penrice. I emphasise this > > > > > fact since many pudic and embarrassed Muslims claim there has been a > > > > > mistranslation, that "virgins" should be replaced by "angels". In > > > > > sura 55 verses 72-74, Dawood translates the Arabic word " hur " as > > > > > "virgins", and the context makes clear that virgin is the appropriate > > > > > translation: "Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents (which of > > > > > your Lord's blessings would you deny?) whom neither man nor jinnee > > > > > will have touched before." The word hur occurs four times in the > > > > > Koran and is usually translated as a "maiden with dark eyes". > > > > > > > > > > Two points need to be noted. First, there is no mention anywhere in > > > > > the Koran of the actual number of virgins available in paradise, and > > > > > second, the dark-eyed damsels are available for all Muslims, not just > > > > > martyrs. It is in the Islamic Traditions that we find the 72 virgins > > > > > in heaven specified: in a Hadith (Islamic Tradition) collected by > > > > > Al-Tirmidhi (died 892 CE [common era*]) in the Book of Sunan (volume > > > > > IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the > > > > > Messenger of Allah [Prophet Muhammad], chapter 21, About the Smallest > > > > > Reward for the People of Paradise, (Hadith 2687). The same hadith is > > > > > also quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary > > > > > (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was > > > > > heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an > > > > > abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands > > > > > a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the > > > > > distance from > > > > > Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'." > > > > > > > > > > Modern apologists of Islam try to downplay the evident materialism > > > > > and sexual implications of such descriptions, but, as the > > > > > Encyclopaedia of Islam says, even orthodox Muslim theologians such as > > > > > al Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and Al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have "admitted > > > > > sensual pleasures into paradise". The sensual pleasures are > > > > > graphically elaborated by Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ), Koranic commentator > > > > > and polymath. He wrote: "Each time we sleep with a houri we find her > > > > > virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection > > > > > is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is > > > > > utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it > > > > > in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [ie Muslim] will marry > > > > > seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all > > > > > will have appetising vaginas." > > > > > > > > > > One of the reasons Nietzsche hated Christianity was that it "made > > > > > something unclean out of sexuality", whereas Islam, many would argue, > > > > > was sex-positive. One cannot imagine any of the Church fathers > > > > > writing ecstatically of heavenly sex as al-Suyuti did, with the > > > > > possible exception of St Augustine before his conversion. But surely > > > > > to call Islam sex-positive is to insult all Muslim women, for sex is > > > > > seen entirely from the male point of view; women's sexuality is > > > > > admitted but seen as something to be feared, repressed, and a work of > > > > > the devil. > > > > > > > > > > Scholars have long pointed out that these images are clearly drawn > > > > > pictures and must have been inspired by the art of painting. > > > > > Muhammad, or whoever is responsible for the descriptions, may well > > > > > have seen Christian miniatures or mosaics representing the gardens of > > > > > paradise and has interpreted the figures of angels rather literally > > > > > as those of young men and young women. A further textual influence on > > > > > the imagery found in the Koran is the work of Ephrem the Syrian > > > > > [306-373 CE], Hymns on Paradise, written in Syriac, an Aramaic > > > > > dialect and the language of Eastern Christianity, and a Semitic > > > > > language closely related to Hebrew and Arabic. > > > > > > > > > > This naturally leads to the most fascinating book ever written on the > > > > > language of the Koran, and if proved to be correct in its main > > > > > thesis, probably the most important book ever written on the Koran. > > > > > Christoph Luxenberg's book, Die Syro-Aramaische Lesart des Koran, > > > > > available only in German, came out just over a year ago, but has > > > > > already had an enthusiastic reception, particularly among those > > > > > scholars with a knowledge of several Semitic languages at Princeton, > > > > > Yale, Berlin, Potsdam, Erlangen, Aix-en-Provence, and the Oriental > > > > > Institute in Beirut. > > > > > > > > > > Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear > > > > > if we read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go > > > > > into the technical details of his methodology but it allows > > > > > Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of > > > > > sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed > > > > > houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and > > > > > LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the > > > > > Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than > > > > > doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims > > > > > that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is > > > > > being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris. > > > > > > > > > > In Syriac, the word hur is a feminine plural adjective meaning white, > > > > > with the word "raisin" understood implicitly. Similarly, the > > > > > immortal, pearl-like ephebes or youths of suras such as LXXVI.19 are > > > > > really a misreading of a Syriac expression meaning chilled raisins > > > > > (or drinks) that the just will have the pleasure of tasting in > > > > > contrast to the boiling drinks promised the unfaithful and damned. > > > > > > > > > > As Luxenberg's work has only recently been published we must await > > > > > its scholarly assessment before we can pass any judgements. But if > > > > > his analysis is correct then suicide bombers, or rather prospective > > > > > martyrs, would do well to abandon their culture of death, and instead > > > > > concentrate on getting laid 72 times in this world, unless of course > > > > > they would really prefer chilled or white raisins, according to their > > > > > taste, in the next. > > > > > > > > > > · Common era is an alternative to Christian era as a method of > > > > > historical dating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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