Andrew, you shouldn't really attack Richard; it's below you. He can read perfectly well because Mr. Lomax stated: "But I'd have been very happy to buy the license at the $2025 I bid."
You may not like what he did, but your analogy is way out of wack. If no one else outbid Mr. Lomax then he would have owned it for $2025. Period. No cheating or screwing anyone out of anything. Even if he bid the extreme price of $5999 (which is $1 below a non-sale, upgrade-to-DXP seat would cost from Altuim directly) and some fool outbid him by $100 (putting it above the direct-from-Altuim price, it still isn't Mr. Lomax's fault for cheating anyone out of anything. The fool that outbid in this scenario is simply a fool. I have purchased most of my lab at auction (not ebay but traditional auctions here in layoff Silicon Valley) and I see morons bidding for stuff that can be purchased NEW FROM AGILENT for less. What is that all about?? They are fools too. Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:00 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] The going price for P99SE on Ebay > > > Richard, you obviously can't read, or maybe you just have > cognition problems. Danny Lomax quite explicitly stated that > the reason for his bid was to stop someone else from getting > it for less than he might have paid otherwise. it's the old > game of water rights. You buy the land upriver, dam it off, > and jack the price for water. Hold on long enough, and you > can permanently alter the pricing structure...If you're one > who believes that's a valid moral position, then you're no > better than Danny-boy. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Sumner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Mr. Lomax placed his bid and was ready to buy it at that > > price. Someone > > else was willing to pay a bit more. If I needed another > > license, I would > > have made a bid myself, possibly much higher (it went > rather cheaply > > compared to what I paid for 3.5 and upgrades to 99se), but I > > don't and I > > didn't. That's called an "auction", and I have no argument with it. > > > > Richard Sumner > > > > > > > > At 03:52 PM 1/9/2003 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >'Abd ul-Rahman Lomax' said: > > >"I placed a bid on that license even though I'm short of > > cash (I bid $2025) > > >simply because I couldn't stand to see it go for under > > $2,000. I'm trying to > > >sell an extra 99SE license for $4500! (OBO)." > > > > > > > > > > > >I (and others may) still think that the attitude; > > > > > >I see someone on Ebay selling the same product that I do. > > It is now at a > > >very low price, maybe lower that what I pay. I do not want > > anyone to get > > >this product for this low a price because of how it may > > effect me and the > > >market. I have no desire to buy this product myself right > > now, but I will > > >bid a significantly higher price to prevent anyone else from > > getting a lower > > >price, and if I get that price, I am willing to pay for it. > > > > > >...as being quite selfish, and against the basic principal > > of auctions. > > > > > >I know that this probably happens all the time, and that > > there is little that > > >can be done about it. > > > > > >I would also point out that if the seller engages in this > > kind of activity, > > >that this is explicitly against the bidding policies, and > > can be reacted to > > >quite vigorously by the auctioneer. I would also consider > > this behavior > > >contrary to the free market, and could even be considered > > market manipulation > > >- ala Enron, etc. > > > > > >Now, if you wanted to get into a typical bidding > > competition, this is exactly > > >the spirit of auctions, and may have resulted is a similar > > or higher ending > > >price - whether you won or not. > > > > > >I would recommend it may be safer not share your > > participation in this kind > > >of activity in the future - regardless how benevolent or > > 'fair' you may > > >consider your motivations to be. > > > > Cheesecote Mountain CAMAC, 24 Halley Drive; Pomona, NY 10970 > > voice: 845 364 0211, fax: 845 362 6947, www.cmcamac.com > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
